4ncl 2022-23

[Roger Lancaster]

The draw is up for Div 4

Presumably someone can work out who is not in the draw and why

At least one of the "missing" teams has, as far as I can see, been promoted to replace a Wessex team in the division above.

[Mick Norris]

Possibly Cambridge University 3 replacing Wessex A in Div 3 W

[Mick Norris]

I see there's a suggestion the 1 May bank holiday might get put back because of the Coronation

It would be a shame if that happened and the Milton Keynes venue wasn't available on the revised dates

You might have thought the Palace would have checked first

Bank holiday on 1 May staying with extra bank holiday on 8 May

[Matt Mackenzie]

Ah that's nice of them.

The late May BH staying as well?

[Neil Graham]

Possibly Cambridge University 3 replacing Wessex A in Div 3 W

I am advised that CSC/Kingston 1 will replace Wessex in Division Three West.

[Neil Graham]

CSC/Kingston 1 have replaced Wessex as in my preceding post. As for Nick Faulk's query - I don't think Wessex have withdrawn from the 4NCL - they are now in Division Four. Whether they will appear is another matter. Teams not competing in Weekend Two will have to notify by Thursday 29th December.

One further thing to report which will affect all divisions in Weekend 2. The December FIDE/ECF rating lists will be used to determine eligibility for this weekend.

[Ian Thompson]

CSC/Kingston 1 have replaced Wessex as in my preceding post.

What's happening with the two matches they haven't played? The results table shows them credited with 2 match points and 6 game points for the weekend while their opponents have each been given 2 match points and 6 game points for their match.

That's potentially unfair on the other 9 teams in the Division when each match has resulted in 3 match points and 9 game points being awarded.

[Mick Norris]

True, but no easy answers unless you can get them to play the missing matches during a Div 3 East weekend

[John Upham]

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[LawrenceCooper]

CSC/Kingston 1 have replaced Wessex as in my preceding post. As for Nick Faulk's query - I don't think Wessex have withdrawn from the 4NCL - they are now in Division Four. Whether they will appear is another matter. Teams not competing in Weekend Two will have to notify by Thursday 29th December.

One further thing to report which will affect all divisions in Weekend 2. The December FIDE/ECF rating lists will be used to determine eligibility for this weekend.

Is that just for the weekend on 7th/8th and not the one on the 14th/15th?

[IM Jack Rudd]

I think it has to be both, as squads with teams in both weekends have to submit their teams simultaneously.

[Neil Graham]

CSC/Kingston 1 have replaced Wessex as in my preceding post. As for Nick Faulk's query - I don't think Wessex have withdrawn from the 4NCL - they are now in Division Four. Whether they will appear is another matter. Teams not competing in Weekend Two will have to notify by Thursday 29th December.

One further thing to report which will affect all divisions in Weekend 2. The December FIDE/ECF rating lists will be used to determine eligibility for this weekend.

Is that just for the weekend on 7th/8th and not the one on the 14th/15th?

Both.

[Kevin Williamson]

CSC/Kingston 1 have replaced Wessex as in my preceding post.

What's happening with the two matches they haven't played? The results table shows them credited with 2 match points and 6 game points for the weekend while their opponents have each been given 2 match points and 6 game points for their match.

That's potentially unfair on the other 9 teams in the Division when each match has resulted in 3 match points and 9 game points being awarded.

True, but what else would you suggest?
Anything other than a 6-0 default win seems unfair on the two teams who were expecting to play Wessex that weekend (one of which contained players who had paid out for non-refundable hotel rooms, only to find out minutes before play on Saturday that they had no Sunday match). And starting CSC/Kingston off with zero points from two matches would be extremely unfair on them.

[Ian Thompson]

CSC/Kingston 1 have replaced Wessex as in my preceding post.

What's happening with the two matches they haven't played? The results table shows them credited with 2 match points and 6 game points for the weekend while their opponents have each been given 2 match points and 6 game points for their match.

That's potentially unfair on the other 9 teams in the Division when each match has resulted in 3 match points and 9 game points being awarded.

True, but what else would you suggest?
Anything other than a 6-0 default win seems unfair on the two teams who were expecting to play Wessex that weekend (one of which contained players who had paid out for non-refundable hotel rooms, only to find out minutes before play on Saturday that they had no Sunday match). And starting CSC/Kingston off with zero points from two matches would be extremely unfair on them.

I don't agree that anything other than 6-0 wins for Barnet Knights B and MK Phoenix 2 would be unfair. It's well established that if a team/player fails to complete half their matches/games in an event then their results are expunged, so they shouldn't expect to get wins.

Ideally, the matches would be played, either at a 4NCL weekend or separately. If not, I'd score both matches as 3-3 draws. That's probably a good deal for Barnet Knights B and MK Phoenix 2 as, on paper, they're not as strong as CSC/Kingston 1 and would likely lose a match against them. I'm less concerned about the effect on CSC/Kingston 1 because they've already got the most they could have achieved from the season - promotion from Division 4 to Division 3 - so damaging their promotion chances is not so important.

[Kevin Williamson]

Ideally, the matches would be played, either at a 4NCL weekend or separately. If not, I'd score both matches as 3-3 draws. That's probably a good deal for Barnet Knights B and MK Phoenix 2 as, on paper, they're not as strong as CSC/Kingston 1 and would likely lose a match against them. I'm less concerned about the effect on CSC/Kingston 1 because they've already got the most they could have achieved from the season - promotion from Division 4 to Division 3 - so damaging their promotion chances is not so important.

But then (by scoring the matches as draws) it could be argued that two teams have been denied the opportunity of beating CSC/Kingston 1 which the other nine have. And what if Wessex had defaulted against stronger teams. Would a 3-3 draw still be a good deal? To be consistent then I guess all of Wessex's results should be scored as defaults and each team effectively given a bye in a round, but in the interests of people playing chess I think the 4NCL have come up with a satisfactory solution in difficult circumstances.