I am guilty of this in time trouble in rapidplays.Paul Robson wrote:Often their legs are boucing up and down
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But what if they have a medical condition such as Parkinson's disease? Would you really get pleasure out of distracting them so they falter and blunder? I thought one of the good things about chess was that it allowed players with illnesses, disabilities and blind players etc to all be able to compete without fearof discrimination.Paul Robson wrote:I think if I was playing such a player I would ask him to stop shaking ,(AS I HAVE DONE ), shaking can be off putting to others.Sometimes the whole table shakes and they really need to calm down. Often my polite request means they falter and blunder. If I got up and starting dancing around, (now theres a vision) ,on my opponents move this would be considered poor form. Often their legs are boucing up and down - really need to go to frontline IRAQ, then they can shake for real.Jon D'Souza-Eva wrote:One strong player in my team gets so nervous in time pressure that he starts violently shaking and has difficulty writing down his moves and even pressing the clock. Last time he was holding his pen in one hand and using the other hand to dampen the shaking and move the pen in roughly the right direction, taking about twenty seconds or so to write down one move. Fortunately his nervousness doesn't seem to affect his ability to find good moves and he rarely throws away winning positions under time pressure.
Please try to remain calm under pressure unless its Monopoly of course !
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A disability is a different matter and as you mention Parkinson's they, (not wanting to be harsh), would probably be shaking from the start which might allow me to assertain they have a condition.
Some players shake near the money end of the game and have no considertion for those playing around them - I am aware that due to the nervous nature of some players they are often unaware of the effects of their shaking- I am simply pointing this out to them by asking them to stop shaking the table. They may well not be able to control the urge to shake.
As stated I do this in a polite manner and I am sure any player I have played would consider I had the utmost respect for them both as a person and a chess player - not something every chess play could stay
I would take no enjoyment in dancing ! however you may have a laugh and yes it would certainly put people off as does the nervous nature of some players with me. I am all for diversity in chess and fully welcome all to enjoy.
Some players shake near the money end of the game and have no considertion for those playing around them - I am aware that due to the nervous nature of some players they are often unaware of the effects of their shaking- I am simply pointing this out to them by asking them to stop shaking the table. They may well not be able to control the urge to shake.
As stated I do this in a polite manner and I am sure any player I have played would consider I had the utmost respect for them both as a person and a chess player - not something every chess play could stay
I would take no enjoyment in dancing ! however you may have a laugh and yes it would certainly put people off as does the nervous nature of some players with me. I am all for diversity in chess and fully welcome all to enjoy.
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Alex how did you get on? Any idea how Redditch did in the Division 3 championship play-off against Lichfield?We had a relegation playoff tonight against two other clubs
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Badly; we have two adjourned v Olton that need to be finished off in Hagley. We have 1, Olton have 2.5, Birmingham have 3.5. Birmingham are safe. We need to win the two remaining games.michele clack wrote:Alex HAlex how did you get on? Any idea how Redditch did in the Division 3 championship play-off against Lichfield?We had a relegation playoff tonight against two other clubs
Redditch drew 3-3 with Lichfield. All six boards were drawn. So they'll replay for the Championship in two weeks time.
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Thanks Alex. Sorry it's not going well for you. I just had an e-mail, apparently the Redditch players were outgraded on all 6 boards but still drew them. The opposite of choking perhaps?
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There's more chance of 'choking' aka over analysing and not being "in the flow" in chess than most other games as there is so much thinking involved and not much 'action'. I've written a few articles on my blog on this and similar subjects- will be doing more in future. Feel free to read and if you have a decent blog too I may exchange links...
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I'm not sure whether you'd call this choking, complacency, over-confidence or something else, but I usually play best when I have a completely lost position, and stuff up when I'm winning or at least better. Possibly something to do with nervousness at the prospect of actually winning a game (particularly if my opponent's graded higher than me) vs determination not to make a loss too embarrassinng?
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I'm with you on that Michael. I'm sure it's a problem for me too.
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I for some reason play better in tournaments than league games possibly it is because the conditions are not as strict.
I have not played in a month or two and I can only stress it has had a positive impact. I do have a game week Monday and I do not feel so confident it is a club championship match towards next seasons grading.
Does anyone have any tips how I can get back into chess, as I have lost all motivation too play.
Matt.
I have not played in a month or two and I can only stress it has had a positive impact. I do have a game week Monday and I do not feel so confident it is a club championship match towards next seasons grading.
Does anyone have any tips how I can get back into chess, as I have lost all motivation too play.
Matt.
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I don't think so. Here is the pseudo-conversational advice that the seconds / psychologists gave: "Garry, you're down 4-0, but if you don't lose another game, you can never lose the match! He cannot beat you." (followed by something similar but less convincing when Karpov reached 5) "Tolya, you're up 4-0, and if you win 6-0 he won't be a fabulous talent waiting to take your crown when he matures, he'll be your biatch--forever."Richard Thursby wrote:Possibly not quite what you're looking for, but Karpov in his first match against Kasparov springs to mind.
Or you can believe what Bobby Fischer said about the match. In either case, the choke card is not in the deck.
I wonder if a more homespun example might not be the Slater Prize. Weren't there a lot of near misses by other worthies before the late Anthony Miles snatched it before their very eyes?