Membership Requirements for FIDE rated rapid-play
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Membership Requirements for FIDE rated rapid-play
Has the ECF made an official statement as to what these are? It would seem that parallel events have different opinions as to whether Gold membership is a requirement for ENG players with the presumed side effect that there are no membership requirements for <other>, or whether the event is expecting to pay £ 6 extra for all non Silver members.
Compare for example the entry forms for the Leamington event in September with the 4NCL rapid-play later the same month.
For that matter, compare those for the Golders Green and Richmond events.
Compare for example the entry forms for the Leamington event in September with the 4NCL rapid-play later the same month.
For that matter, compare those for the Golders Green and Richmond events.
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Re: Membership Requirements for FIDE rated rapid-play
Organisers are free to pass on or not to pass on whatever discounts they want to players.
Organisers are also free to impose stricter requirements if they wish.
Players are then free to play or not to play.
Organisers are also free to impose stricter requirements if they wish.
Players are then free to play or not to play.
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That's correct, but the ECF have sanctions as well.Ian Jamieson wrote:Organisers are free to pass on or not to pass on whatever discounts they want to players.
Organisers are also free to impose stricter requirements if they wish.
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They could refuse to submit some or all of the results to FIDE if the event doesn't comply with their rules.
They could remove the FIDE ratings of players who take part in internationally rated events without being ECF Gold members.
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After a number of conversations with the ECF the 4NCL went down the congress route rather than the FIDE rated route on the basis that the FIDE rapidplay rating project is still in its pilot stage and Gold membership is not yet mandatory.
No doubt if FIDE rapidplay rating is put on the same basis as standardplay (i.e. Gold membership requirement) we will have a decision to make as to whether to continue FIDE rating the 4NCL Rapidplay.
No doubt if FIDE rapidplay rating is put on the same basis as standardplay (i.e. Gold membership requirement) we will have a decision to make as to whether to continue FIDE rating the 4NCL Rapidplay.
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This is what the London Classic has to say
On the Standard play events, the entry form goes on to say
So what happens if you aren't an English player ? Does £ 6 pay-to-play apply?ECF Membership: Gold Membership of the English Chess Federation is compulsory for English players playing in the FIDE Open and FIDE-rated sections of the Weekend Classic B. Silver membership is required for all English Players in the Weekend Classic A, U120 section of the Weekend Classic B, and Classic Rapidplays A & B, or a £6 pay-to-play fee will apply
On the Standard play events, the entry form goes on to say
and alsoEnglish players in the FIDE rated sections must be Gold ECF members. All players in the non FIDE rated sections must be Silver ECF members or pay an additional £6 ECF Pay-to-Play fee.
So the London Classic interpret that all rapid-plays are treated the same as any non-FIDE event, whether or not they are FIDE rated.All players in Classic Rapidplay must be Silver ECF members or pay a £6 ECF Pay to Play fee.
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So pretty much the same interpretation as the 4NCL's then?So the London Classic interpret that all rapid-plays are treated the same as any non-FIDE event, whether or not they are FIDE rated.
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In a couple of years time Mike Truran will be able throw his arms up in the air as the ECF force FIDE rapid rated players to join the ECF or lose their ratings. He will complain about the ECF imposing rules. The fact is he is totally complicit in the ECF's plans to further victimise and intimidate players.
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Thanks Matthew. As usual, a fair and accurate observation showing your customary in depth understanding of the issues. I expect the Scots are delighted to have somebody as insightful as you on their books.
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Re: Membership Requirements for FIDE rated rapid-play
Mike, I agree with you again. Whoever said ignoance is bliss clearly never visited this forum.
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Mike Truran has long been a cheer leader for compulsory membership. He even resigned from the ECF Board when the ECF Council rejected the idea.Simon Brown wrote:Mike, I agree with you again. Whoever said ignoance is bliss clearly never visited this forum.
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Matthew has received a warning for his comment which went well beyond what I consider to be acceptable
Cheers
Carl Hibbard
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Matthew Turner has long been a cheer leader for pay to play. He even joined Chess Scotland when the ECF Council rejected the idea.
Roger, at least Matthew had the courage of his convictions.
Roger, at least Matthew had the courage of his convictions.
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If Matthew wishes to continue to play non FiDE rated chess in England, then he, like everyone else, is likely to be compelled to pay an annual lump sum to the ECF. This will be either for financial reasons or because his club or local league feel obliged by financial constraints to insist. It's not even really membership, since there is no say in the running and direction of the ECF.Mike Truran wrote: Roger, at least Matthew had the courage of his convictions.
Oddly enough, I think there's a quote in the past from Matthew in favour of membership schemes, so I don't regard him as a cheer leader for pay to play. I believe his objection was to the compulsion and the Ali style victimisation of getting FIDE to remove ratings from non-compliers.
If you make individual membership optional, as you should, you have to charge Congresses, leagues and counties for their membership of the ECF. This has the advantage that when you charge a league in bulk, that the league and clubs can then engage in outreach programs to offer trial participation to new, occasional, retired and casual players.
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I expect the Scots are delighted to have somebody as insightful as you on their books
Like pointing out that it might not be approproate that the Scots have to pay £250 to support the ECF and 4NCL because of Mike's charging policy at the Glorney Cup?
Like pointing out that it might not be approproate that the Scots have to pay £250 to support the ECF and 4NCL because of Mike's charging policy at the Glorney Cup?
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Mike had an alternative with the 4NCL FIDE rapidplay see
http://www.ecforum.org.uk/viewtopic.php ... y&start=15
he chose not to take this option and set up another thread on the same topic to end debate. Players and arbiters should judge why he has taken the action that he has. Players with FIDE ratings have been victimised and intimidated by the ECF. It seems incredibly likely that the same thing will happen to players with FIDE rapidplay ratings in the future. Organisers who (knowingly) set up FIDE rapidplay events are allowing this to happen.
http://www.ecforum.org.uk/viewtopic.php ... y&start=15
he chose not to take this option and set up another thread on the same topic to end debate. Players and arbiters should judge why he has taken the action that he has. Players with FIDE ratings have been victimised and intimidated by the ECF. It seems incredibly likely that the same thing will happen to players with FIDE rapidplay ratings in the future. Organisers who (knowingly) set up FIDE rapidplay events are allowing this to happen.