Media comments on chess

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Re: Media comments on chess

Post by JustinHorton » Thu Jul 14, 2016 10:33 am

It's a, er, rehash, of this article from the Telegraph.

The Indepdendent writer seems to specialise in this sort of thing (see for instance).
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Re: Media comments on chess

Post by Roger de Coverly » Thu Jul 14, 2016 11:06 am

JustinHorton wrote:It's a, er, rehash, of this article from the Telegraph
The Telegraph is behind a partial pay wall, so not always available.

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Re: Media comments on chess

Post by Kevin Thurlow » Thu Jul 14, 2016 12:15 pm

At least the Telegraph had the board the right way round. I think this sort of plagiarism is outrageous.

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Re: Media comments on chess

Post by JustinHorton » Thu Jul 14, 2016 12:47 pm

Roger de Coverly wrote:
JustinHorton wrote:It's a, er, rehash, of this article from the Telegraph
The Telegraph is behind a partial pay wall, so not always available.
Yeah, it's a pain. Sometimes if you try in a different browser...
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Re: Media comments on chess

Post by Stewart Reuben » Thu Jul 14, 2016 6:36 pm

This also appeared in the Daily Telegraph. Malcolm Pein says the CSC will give a response in due course. He feels the results were disappointing but the methodology flawed.
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Re: Media comments on chess

Post by Mick Norris » Thu Jul 14, 2016 9:38 pm

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Re: Media comments on chess

Post by Richard Bates » Fri Jul 15, 2016 7:50 am

Stewart Reuben wrote:
If you have a tournament with 9 rounds, getting White in round 1 is a considerable advantage. You get off to a better start. You are likely to have White in the last round. You will probably have 5 Whites. Gibraltar has 10 rounds. The disadvantaged of that is that some players will get 6 of 1 colour and 4 of the other.
I actually disagree with this, or at least it is not as simple as portrayed. Usually in a large, long Swiss the most important games are the last few rounds, particularly the last two. In an odd numbered tournament, the chances of getting a double white in the last two rounds are significantly higher if you have black in round one.

On the other hand having white in round one in an even numbered tournament is a significant boost both because of the much higher chance of a significant colour advantage over the tournament as a whole, and almost no chance of a colour disadvantage. With a good chance of a double white in the last two rounds to boost.

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Re: Media comments on chess

Post by Stewart Reuben » Fri Jul 15, 2016 12:51 pm

One problem with any Swiss is that White tends to win more games. Thus there is usually a preponderance of black-seekers on the higher scores and white-seekers on the lower.

I have long had the ambition for there to be a standardplay tournament Swiss where each player meets the same opponent twice, one game being with White and one with Black. This would remove the colour bias. It would be logical to play each round of two games over one day. Perhaps 7 rounds, being 14 games and have one rest day. Factors mitigating against this: Norms for events greater than 13 games count as if 13. It is more difficult to find 3 GMs in 7 rounds when looking for a GM norm.

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Post by Clive Blackburn » Fri Jul 15, 2016 1:08 pm

Stewart Reuben wrote: I have long had the ambition for there to be a standardplay tournament Swiss where each player meets the same opponent twice, one game being with White and one with Black.
Surely that is not a Swiss tournament then.

I thought one of the absolute rules of a Swiss was that you can never play the same Opponent more than once.

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Re: Media comments on chess

Post by Stewart Reuben » Fri Jul 15, 2016 1:18 pm

Clive >Surely that is not a Swiss tournament then.<

Surely it is. Indeed there have been Swiss blitz double game tournaments. Just amend the statement that you do not meet the same opponent twice in different rounds. If you are still offended by the English, call it a double game Swiss.

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Re: Media comments on chess

Post by Roger de Coverly » Fri Jul 15, 2016 1:56 pm

Stewart Reuben wrote:If you are still offended by the English, call it a double game Swiss.
Would such a hypothetical tournament be paired on the basis that every two game match had three results or five?

Given that shorter breaks between rounds are possible, a double "five" round rapid play looks feasible within the timetabling of a weekend congress. So six games on the Saturday and four on the Sunday.

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Re: Media comments on chess

Post by Stewart Reuben » Fri Jul 15, 2016 2:10 pm

Roger >Would such a hypothetical tournament be paired on the basis that every two game match had three results or five? <

I think blitz tournaments have always been 5 results. But there is nothing to stop it being the other way. The advantage of 5 means, the player who wins the first game, still has a reason to win the second.
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Re: Media comments on chess

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Re: Media comments on chess

Post by NickFaulks » Fri Jul 22, 2016 6:34 pm

On Test Match Special, the experts are discussing why it is that no matter how much a batsman tells himself that, this innings, he will not play an irresponsible shot, he then does it anyway. One says "it's not like chess".

Sounds exactly like chess to me.
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