Richmond Rapidplays

[Mike Gunn]

Although it wouldn't cost me any more (as I have the required level of ECF membership) I have no particular interest in playing in a FIDE rated rapidplay (as opposed to an ECF graded one). Indeed, wouldn't it be more straight forward to just make it ECF graded? (Possibly it would attract more customers too, because it would remove the worry/ uncertainty associated with expected level of ECF membership?)

[Richard Bates]

Personally I prefer 25' + 5" to 30' although others may disagree. It presumably makes arbiters lives a lot easier as well. I see no purpose to an increment of greater than 5 seconds (the "equivalent" time control for that would be 20' + 10")

[Roger de Coverly]

2) Also, can people give an indication whether they would like the new series of Richmond Rapidplays to be FIDE rapid rated.

Rather an obscure point for your arbiter, but it was in a comment by Adam Raoof that he was expected to enforce the rule that a single illegal move would lose if events were FIDE rated.

The reference is A.4.b in
http://www.fide.com/fide/handbook.html? ... ew=article

An illegal move is completed once the player has pressed his clock. If the arbiter observes this he shall declare the game lost by the player, provided the opponent has not made his next move. If the arbiter does not intervene, the opponent is entitled to claim a win, provided the opponent has not made his next move. However, the game is drawn if the position is such that the opponent cannot checkmate the player’s king by any possible series of legal moves. If the opponent does not claim and the arbiter does not intervene, the illegal move shall stand and the game shall continue. Once the opponent has made his next move, an illegal move cannot be corrected unless this is agreed by the players without intervention of the arbiter.

[Martin Benjamin]

With regard to time limits, I greatly prefer increments to guillotine time controls, and I think it will help you, because you will see fewer controversial and disputed finishes. However, much as I would like to play, Sundays are more difficult than Saturdays for me, so I wish you well, but you may want to give greater weight to the views of those more likely to participate.

[Adam Raoof]

Although it wouldn't cost me any more (as I have the required level of ECF membership) I have no particular interest in playing in a FIDE rated rapidplay (as opposed to an ECF graded one). Indeed, wouldn't it be more straight forward to just make it ECF graded? (Possibly it would attract more customers too, because it would remove the worry/ uncertainty associated with expected level of ECF membership?)

The expected level of ECF membership is Silver, irrespective of whether it is FIDE rated or not.

[Mick Norris]

Also, can people give some indication of what time controls they prefer. e.g. 30 min per player per game, or 25 min per player per game plus 10 second increment per move.

Paul

The last Manchester Rapidplay we used 20 mins plus 10 sec increment, and found it worked better than 30 min we used previously

We used it because it had been used elsewhere (Birmingham I think, maybe at the British for the 1 day rapidplays) and I had the impression it was becoming the "standard" time control for increments in rapidplays

I think you would find 25 mins plus 10 secs leads to the games going on too long

Good luck with whatever you do decide

[Mike Gunn]

The expected level of ECF membership is Silver, irrespective of whether it is FIDE rated or not.

Adam, I know that, you know that but it's not exactly one of the most well documented features of the ECF membership system ...

PS On the timing I would go for 20 minutes + 10 seconds per move, too.

[Ian Thompson]

Rather an obscure point for your arbiter

Why is this obscure?

but it was in a comment by Adam Raoof that he was expected to enforce the rule that a single illegal move would lose if events were FIDE rated.

He would also be required to enforce the rule if the event was to be ECF graded. One of the conditions for games to be graded is that they are played according to the FIDE Laws of Chess.

[Angus French]

but it was in a comment by Adam Raoof that he was expected to enforce the rule that a single illegal move would lose if events were FIDE rated.

He would also be required to enforce the rule if the event was to be ECF graded. One of the conditions for games to be graded is that they are played according to the FIDE Laws of Chess.

It may be worth checking this with Alex Holowczak (Home Director of Chess). My understanding is that a single illegal move in a graded but not FIDE-rated rapidplay event may be allowed - or at least the ECF was thinking of allowing it.

[David Sedgwick]

Paul, can I just clarify some of the requirements for FIDE rating.

The events will need to be registered with FIDE through the ECF a minimum of seven days beforehand. You can find the list of English events currently registered at https://ratings.fide.com/tournament_lis ... ountry=ENG.

All the arbiters at a FIDE rated event (including Rapidplay and Blitz events) must be FIDE licensed. You can find the current list of licensed arbiters at http://arbiters.fide.com/images/stories ... biters.pdf. The English arbiters are shown on Pages 35 and 36, but you are free to use arbiters from any Federation.

Applications to be FIDE licensed can only be submitted through the arbiter's Federation and the applicant must therefore meet any requirements which his or her Federation may impose. If you wish to know whether an English person currently without a licence may apply for one, I'm the person to ask.

[Adam Raoof]

Paul, can I just clarify some of the requirements for FIDE rating.

The events will need to be registered with FIDE through the ECF a minimum of seven days beforehand. You can find the list of English events currently registered at https://ratings.fide.com/tournament_lis ... ountry=ENG.

All the arbiters at a FIDE rated event (including Rapidplay and Blitz events) must be FIDE licensed. You can find the current list of licensed arbiters at http://arbiters.fide.com/images/stories ... biters.pdf. The English arbiters are shown on Pages 35 and 36, but you are free to use arbiters from any Federation.

Applications to be FIDE licensed can only be submitted through the arbiter's Federation and the applicant must therefore meet any requirements which his or her Federation may impose. If you wish to know whether an English person currently without a licence may apply for one, I'm the person to ask.

Thanks David, for those links ~ though my entry is wrong in that list as I am an IA.

[David Sedgwick]

Thanks David, for those links ~ though my entry is wrong in that list as I am an IA.

My entry is also wrong as I am Category A.

The list is accurate in respect of the names (which is the relevant issue for this thread) but it doesn't seem to be updated for changes in status. I've drawn this to the attention of the FIDE Arbiters' Commission, but without result.

The lists in the links at http://arbiters.fide.com/arbiter-database.html and at http://arbiters.fide.com/arbiters-classification.html are better in that regard.

[Gareth T Ellis]

Paul, a few things to consider.

If increments, do you have access to enough digital clocks for a venue capacity. If not, would it be limited entry.

If FIDE graded then according to the ECF Grand Prix rules.

1. Nature of the Event
The Grand Prix is a year-long individual competition based on graded congresses and restricted to Direct Members of the Federation at Silver, Gold & Platinum levels (Junior included). All open congresses graded by the ECF are included, provided their grading results reach the ECF within one month of the last day of the congress (and in any case no later than 20th July 2015). Leagues, knockouts, invitational events, team competitions, internal club competitions and matches are not included. The Grand Prix begins on 1st July 2014 and ends on 30th June 2015. A congress which begins in June 2015 and finishes in July will be deemed, for this purpose, to have taken place entirely in July.


Not only would this exclude it and possibly lose some extra entries, but is shunning the ECF the impression you want to give at a time when a sponsor has just been announced by them.

[Adam Raoof]

Paul, a few things to consider.

If increments, do you have access to enough digital clocks for a venue capacity. If not, would it be limited entry.

If FIDE graded then according to the ECF Grand Prix rules.

1. Nature of the Event
The Grand Prix is a year-long individual competition based on graded congresses and restricted to Direct Members of the Federation at Silver, Gold & Platinum levels (Junior included). All open congresses graded by the ECF are included, provided their grading results reach the ECF within one month of the last day of the congress (and in any case no later than 20th July 2015). Leagues, knockouts, invitational events, team competitions, internal club competitions and matches are not included. The Grand Prix begins on 1st July 2014 and ends on 30th June 2015. A congress which begins in June 2015 and finishes in July will be deemed, for this purpose, to have taken place entirely in July.


Not only would this exclude it and possibly lose some extra entries, but is shunning the ECF the impression you want to give at a time when a sponsor has just been announced by them.

Gareth, I think they mean to both ECF grade AND FIDE rate the event, rather than just FIDE rate it.

If that is the case then given the ECF membership requirements, you may as well FIDE rate it as it won't cost you an extra penny to add that value to the event. It would be a selling point.

[Roger de Coverly]

If that is the case then given the ECF membership requirements, you may as well FIDE rate it as it won't cost you an extra penny to add that value to the event. It would be a selling point.

Apart from the aggravation caused to unrated non-ENG players, requiring them to obtain a FIN, or become ENG.