http://www.englishchess.org.uk/Forum/vi ... f=25&t=363Tim Harding wrote:Can you post the link for that here please?Carl Hibbard wrote:Andrew Zigmond has a good post it is just posted on the wrong forum.
Similar points as here.
http://www.englishchess.org.uk/Forum/vi ... f=25&t=363Tim Harding wrote:Can you post the link for that here please?Carl Hibbard wrote:Andrew Zigmond has a good post it is just posted on the wrong forum.
AdamAdam Raoof wrote:Exactly; you buy a licence for Swiss Manager, and chess-results functionality actually comes free.
DaveDavid Clayton wrote:There is no technical IT support staff within the team to support the various IT infrastructure or systems in use at the tournament, so there are no individuals underperforming. Just a small group of individuals attempting to undertake tasks outside their skill set or remit. Are you berating those with the appropriate professional expertise who do not volunteer, or those who are attempting to introduce newer technology and meet peoples rising expectations within the constraints imposed upon them? Perhaps you are suggesting these tasks should not be undertaken unless all the appropriate resources are in place, which is a valid opinion. I believe this is just one of the symptoms that is being exposed due to the push of the introduction of IT from the bottom of the organisation rather than the pull associated those events which are IT lead.
Correct Mick, my observations are not on specifics, but based on an organisation culture where change is being pushed from below. This is something that happens in many organisations. It’s not just about the implementation of IT systems, but how should they be adopted and incorporated into the event or should the event change to take advantage of the opportunities of the new technologies and communication channels available to us?Mick Norris wrote:I thought Dave Clayton wasn't talking about computerised pairing systems, but presumably Sean Hewitt and Adam Raoof manage to use these successfully
Swiss Manager is being used for the pairings at the British. But for at least some events, notably the British Championship, the option to input pairings manually is being selected.Mick Norris wrote:Is it possible to use Swiss Manager for the pairings for the British?
I don't see why. It's not as if they make any financial contributions to running it, other than supplying an arbiter or several. There's an involvement by the paid ECF Office staff as well as direct costs.Mick Norris wrote: As far as funding is concerned, I think you can have a debate with ECF members about funding the English Championships, but would need to bring the other countries into a discussion about the British
Really? I have consistently been unable to work out how floats were handled. This isn't my expertise, so perhaps I'm missing something.David Sedgwick wrote: Swiss Manager is being used for the pairings at the British.
It appears something of a mixture. There seemed some events where the pairings appeared to have used the Swiss Dutch system and thus presumably were generated directly by Swiss-Manager. Others notably the British Championship itself and perhaps the Major Open were allegedly using the CAA rules and with those rules not supported by Swiss-Manager, there were pairing boards and cards lurking in the background.NickFaulks wrote: Edit. If you tell me they used median up, median down then I can get close.
The point is that we shouldn't be having this discussion. The pairing mechanism isn't supposed to be a secret.Roger de Coverly wrote:
It appears something of a mixture.
David Sedgwick wrote:Swiss Manager is being used for the pairings at the British.
I'm afraid that I can't see the connection between my comment which you quoted and your response to it.NickFaulks wrote:Really? I have consistently been unable to work out how floats were handled. This isn't my expertise, so perhaps I'm missing something.
Edit. If you tell me they used median up, median down then I can get close.
Point taken. When someone says that Swiss Manager is being used, I may not be alone in taking that to mean that the pairings it produces are taken into account. They weren't, fair enough.David Sedgwick wrote:I'm afraid that I can't see the connection between my comment which you quoted and your response to it.David Sedgwick wrote:Swiss Manager is being used for the pairings at the British.
3. Once done, the pairings were input into Swiss Manager. Of course, it could just as well have been any other program.
There are advantages in using Chess Results to display the pairings, even if you don't use Swiss Manager to generate them. One such advantage is that the pairings are still available even if the tournament website crashes.NickFaulks wrote:When someone says that Swiss Manager is being used, I may not be alone in taking that to mean that the pairings it produces are taken into account. They weren't, fair enough.
I have found that using Swiss Manager to input fully manual pairings is an unwieldy business, and am interested to see that professionals know of no better way - perhaps they've tried the Krause format and didn't much enjoy that either!
Alex's portfolio may be more than David Anderton surmises if this entry on the FIDE Rating site is anything to go by under AH's Arbiter record:David Sedgwick wrote:"[ECF Director of Home Chess Alex Holowczak] has a colossal portfolio which he discharges with energy and enthusiasm."
- David Anderton speaking at the Closing Ceremony
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For the record, the full entry is 102nd British Chess Championships Team Blitz.E Michael White wrote:Alex's portfolio may be more than David Anderton surmises if this entry on the FIDE Rating site is anything to go by under AH's Arbiter record:David Sedgwick wrote:"[ECF Director of Home Chess Alex Holowczak] has a colossal portfolio which he discharges with energy and enthusiasm."
- David Anderton speaking at the Closing Ceremony
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Chief 102nd British Chess Championships Tea... Sep15
What is the extended record masked by the 3 dots. Could it be AH was the chief teaboy or tealeaf reader ?
That's an impressive title for what was a social evening Blitz with just 6 teams.David Sedgwick wrote: For the record, the full entry is 102nd British Chess Championships Team Blitz.