Chess Statement Investigation Society

[Nick Burrows]

Guess Korchnoi thought Taimanov a patzer:

[Event "Leningrad"] [Site "Leningrad"] [Date "1950.??.??"] [EventDate "?"] [Round "?"] [Result "0-1"] [White "Mark Taimanov"] [Black "Viktor Korchnoi"] [ECO "A97"] [WhiteElo "?"] [BlackElo "?"] [PlyCount "70"] 1. d4 e6 2. g3 f5 3. Bg2 Nf6 4. Nf3 Be7 5. O-O O-O 6. c4 d6 7. Nc3 Qe8 8. Qc2 Qh5 9. b3 Nc6 10. Bb2 Bd7 11. a3 Rae8 12. d5 Nd8 13. Nd4 e5 14. Ndb5 Nf7 15. Nxc7 Rc8 16. Ne6 Bxe6 17. dxe6 Ng5 18. Nd5 Nxd5 19. Bxd5 f4 20. f3 fxg3 21. hxg3 Qh3 22. Kf2 Nxf3 23. Ke3 Nd4 24. Qd1 Qxg3+ 25. Rf3 Nxf3 26. exf3 b5 27. Qh1 bxc4 28. bxc4 Rb8 29. Bc3 Rb3 30. Kd3 Qf2 31. Qe1 e4+ 32. Bxe4 Rxf3+ 33. Bxf3 Qxf3+ 34. Kc2 Rxc3+ 35. Kb2 Rb3+ 0-1

[Matt Mackenzie]

He played it a few times subsequent to that as well IIRC.

[Joshua Gibbs]

In Kindermans book on the Leningrad he gives the following quotes:

"One of the openings against which both I and the majority of grandmasters are delighted to play" - Tigran Petrosian

"You can only play the Dutch against patzers...The only good thing about the Dutch is that it provokes your opponent into premature attacks. (or words to that effect)" - Victor Korchnoi

thanks, i would have never been able to find this otherwise.

Roger thanks for the info

[Joshua Gibbs]

did Nigel Short really say ""I am acutely conscious, from vast experience in opens, that guys around, say 2100 or more can definitely play chess and that one often has to work very hard to beat them."

its on lichess and quoted here like https://github.com/ornicar/lila/blob/ma ... uote.scala

[MartinCarpenter]

No idea, but it would be no surprise - you only need to see the British/sundry weekenders to see players mildly weaker than Short having to really work at it at times. Some fast wins, but far from all of them.

Especially if you slide it towards 2200 players or 2100 rated juniors etc.

Its the same with any sort of big grading gap - the stronger player does eventually get there nearly all the time, but it is often distinctly hard work!

[David Williams]

I can't for the life of me see why any of this matters. I've probably said to someone that I always do well against the Caro-Kann. Doubtless famous people say similar things. Doubtless, like me, they didn't think it was a manifesto commitment.

[Nick Burrows]

I can't for the life of me see why any of this matters. I've probably said to someone that I always do well against the Caro-Kann. Doubtless famous people say similar things. Doubtless, like me, they didn't think it was a manifesto commitment.

Yes!

[JustinHorton]

I can't for the life of me see why any of this matters

Just to be sure, do you mean you don't understand why it matters if people are quoted as saying things they didn't say?

[David Williams]

I can't for the life of me see why any of this matters

Just to be sure, do you mean you don't understand why it matters if people are quoted as saying things they didn't say?

Sometimes it matters. Not remotely for any of this, though.

[JustinHorton]

The internet is full of false and misattributed quotations. You know why? Because of people who think it doesn't matter.

[Nick Burrows]

The internet is full of false and misattributed quotations. You know why? Because of people who think it doesn't matter.

Maybe those people are right?

Lots of these "quotes" are just offhand comments of no great importance that are then immortalised by lesser chess players as if all words uttered by GM's are like zen koans that can unlock hidden playing strength.

[JustinHorton]

The internet is full of false and misattributed quotations. You know why? Because of people who think it doesn't matter.

Maybe those people are right?

Maybe those people won't mind if things they haven't said start appearing all over the shop attributed to them.

[IM Jack Rudd]

The great advantage of attributing quotations to long-dead public figures is that they are no longer around to deny having made them.

[Nick Burrows]

Maybe those people won't mind if things they haven't said start appearing all over the shop attributed to them.

I'm sure Korchnoi & Petrosian turn in their graves when a non exact wording of something they once said about the Dutch defence is uttered.

[JustinHorton]

Maybe it might be more respectful to people in the graves not to make up stuff about them, mmm?