ECF Reject complaint by Chris Fegan

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ECF Reject complaint by Chris Fegan

Post by Mick Norris » Tue Oct 17, 2023 1:17 pm

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A complaint was raised by Chris Fegan in relation to matters arising while he was Director of Women’s Chess which was rejected. CF appealed against the decision and in October 2021 Michael Farthing and Nick Faulks were asked to review the appeal, raised on the grounds that the original complaint was heard by Julian Clissold (then Chair of the Board) and Stephen Woodhouse (then an NED and now Chair of the Board) and that neither JC nor SW were unbiased due to allegations raised by CF that they had been attempting to remove CF from the Board.

The appeal panel completed their review on 31st August 2023 and dismissed the appeal due to a lack of supporting evidence.
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Re: ECF Reject complaint by Chris Fegan

Post by Matt Mackenzie » Tue Oct 17, 2023 3:07 pm

So, maybe a summary of what the complaint was actually about?
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Re: ECF Reject complaint by Chris Fegan

Post by LawrenceCooper » Tue Oct 17, 2023 4:29 pm

Matt Mackenzie wrote:
Tue Oct 17, 2023 3:07 pm
So, maybe a summary of what the complaint was actually about?
The judgement links to this summary: https://www.englishchess.org.uk/wp-cont ... cision.pdf

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Re: ECF Reject complaint by Chris Fegan

Post by Roger de Coverly » Tue Oct 17, 2023 4:30 pm

Matt Mackenzie wrote:
Tue Oct 17, 2023 3:07 pm
So, maybe a summary of what the complaint was actually about?
This link is from the ECF website
https://www.englishchess.org.uk/wp-cont ... cision.pdf
It seems the original issue was a complaint by Fegan against Truran which was rejected. The second issue was a complaint by Fegan against those making the rejection decision.

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Re: ECF Reject complaint by Chris Fegan

Post by Paul Cooksey » Tue Oct 17, 2023 5:48 pm

The original complaint was in relation to this comment in an email exchange:
Mike Truran wrote:
Unidentified Director wrote:Women's chess has a larger budget, there is more activity in women's chess, they have a social media account and his election promise to replace himself with a woman is being fulfilled.
Let’s just say that [name of other director] and I have very different views on Chris’ contribution to women’s chess on behalf of the ECF while in office.
The follow up complaint was on the handling of that complaint.

I've said before that I felt Mike's comment was wrong. But on the other hand, this is so obviously just a political dispute, using the complaints procedure seems a waste of everyone time. Twice.

Chris was asking for an official apology on the website and his £50 admin fee back because of the delay in dealing with his second complaint, notwithstanding it seeming to have failed because he chose not to submit evidence supporting it.

I'm slightly annoyed at the phrasing of the apology. I didn't feel it needed caveating. But anyway, I am am hoping it is sufficient to avoid a third go round.

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Re: ECF Reject complaint by Chris Fegan

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Tue Oct 17, 2023 8:17 pm

Paul Cooksey wrote:
Tue Oct 17, 2023 5:48 pm
I'm slightly annoyed at the phrasing of the apology. I didn't feel it needed caveating. But anyway, I am am hoping it is sufficient to avoid a third go round.
Do you mean the use of the word "wishes" in the bit that hasn't been quoted above?
It is noted that the report took almost two years to complete. It is recognised that this is much longer than should have been the case and the ECF wishes to apologise to the various parties affected by the delay.
Are you saying that better would be the more direct phrasing: "the ECF apologises to the various parties affected by the delay."? If so, I would agree with that. Phrases like "I would like to apologise..." and "Please let me apologise..." and "I wish to apologise" are too passive in their phrasing and soften the effect of the apology. The focus is drawn to the "wishing" rather than the act of apologising.

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Re: ECF Reject complaint by Chris Fegan

Post by Paul Cooksey » Wed Oct 18, 2023 8:38 pm

It was the phrase "the ECF wishes to apologise to the various parties affected by the delay" I disliked. I suspect there was only one party who needed a formal apology, which was Chris Fegan. But if others are asking for an apology in private, fine, add "all other parties" if you want. But not saying "the ECF apologises to Chris Fegan" is at best wishy washy and at worst petty.

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Re: ECF Reject complaint by Chris Fegan

Post by Roger Lancaster » Sat Oct 21, 2023 7:28 pm

Paul Cooksey wrote:
Tue Oct 17, 2023 5:48 pm

But on the other hand, this is so obviously just a political dispute, using the complaints procedure seems a waste of everyone time. Twice.
Well, yes, I think some might consider using the complaints procedure for political purposes is an abuse of that procedure.