How exciting. Probably explains my inflated rating.Alex Holowczak wrote:This is before my time, but I was told that a previous FIDE-rating Officer was making up results and submitting them. He was swiftly removed from post, by all accounts.Simon Brown wrote:Did the ECF really send in fraudulent results for rating? Why don't I remember?
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I should probably have said "was alleged to have made up results"... I've no idea. Just reporting hearsay.Simon Brown wrote:How exciting. Probably explains my inflated rating.Alex Holowczak wrote:This is before my time, but I was told that a previous FIDE-rating Officer was making up results and submitting them. He was swiftly removed from post, by all accounts.Simon Brown wrote:Did the ECF really send in fraudulent results for rating? Why don't I remember?
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Indeed, but this does not support your claim that it was the small federations who pushed it through. I expect that, like almost everyone else, he just went with the flow.Roger de Coverly wrote:
If the ECF delegate voted in favour in 2008, that's news, but he was thrown out of office not long after.
As to nonsense like G/75, if that comes up I believe that it can be fought off. However, I do not expect to get a shred of help from Western Europe or, even less, from the USCF.
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You didn't pick up that he'd like to abolish classical chess. The 90 30 move rate was only a stepping stone in that direction and he would have preferred something even faster. The current 40 moves in 90 minutes plus 30 minutes with 30 second increments is something clawed back by those such as arbiters as rather more suitable for one round a day chess. We'll see how it works starting tomorrow in the London Classic Open. For many British players it will be their first experience of that exact move rate. My initial thoughts are that up to move 40 it's the same as the British Championships, Hastings or the 4NCL except that you started 10 minutes late. Beyond move 40, you only have the extra half hour plus increments, so you have to speed up a bit.Alex Holowczak wrote: I hadn't realised the FIDE President has said this.
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I'm not sure about the "swiftly". Was this never a forum topic? It should have been.Alex Holowczak wrote:This is before my time, but I was told that a previous FIDE-rating Officer was making up results and submitting them. He was swiftly removed from post, by all accounts.Simon Brown wrote:Did the ECF really send in fraudulent results for rating? Why don't I remember?
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There are all sorts of reasonable objections to it, but it's the way that international sporting bodies, and for that matter international bodies per se, are normally organised. In the United Nations General Assembly, China has one vote, as does Ireland. (Or Tunisia, or Uruguay, or Honduras.) It's nothing specific to FIDE.Alex Holowczak wrote:To my mind, it is simply wrong that Bermuda gets as many votes on the General Assembly as Russia
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The claim is that small federations voted for a President who was strongly in favour. It was only the intervention of one of the other board members that prevented the General Assembly voting for it to become part of the Laws of Chess there and then.NickFaulks wrote:Indeed, but this does not support your claim that it was the small federations who pushed it through.
Speculation of course, but if it had been known that the then Delegate was in favour of zero time default as a compulsory Law of Chess, I wonder whether he would have got more than a handful of votes in the 2009 election.
G/75 is a perfectly valid rate and suitable for evening league chess, weekend Congresses and events for younger players. It's somewhat pointless to use it in events with one round a day or where the players would prefer a longer playing session. As to whether it should be eligible for international rating, that's another question. It would extend the number of events that could be rated, at the cost, presumably, of the quality of play.NickFaulks wrote: As to nonsense like G/75, if that comes up I believe that it can be fought off. However, I do not expect to get a shred of help from Western Europe or, even less, from the USCF.
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Are you sure about that? To take two high profile examples, don't both the IOC and FIFA have rather fewer voting members than they have national members. That in itself creates problems with potential corruption.JustinHorton wrote: There are all sorts of reasonable objections to it, but it's the way that international sporting bodies, and for that matter international bodies per se, are normally organised..
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I don't think so (at least as regards FIFA, which I've just looked up). Of course the Executive, which manages FIFA's bribe-taking activities day-to-day, includes just a few of the member associations, but the Congress, I think, includes all of them on an equal basis.Roger de Coverly wrote:Are you sure about that? To take two high profile examples, don't both the IOC and FIFA have rather fewer voting members than they have national members. That in itself creates problems with potential corruption.JustinHorton wrote: There are all sorts of reasonable objections to it, but it's the way that international sporting bodies, and for that matter international bodies per se, are normally organised..
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Clawed back by the arbiters? They could have a proper time control like the 4NCL if they wanted it, and from what I'm told most of the top players would like that. However, this doesn't suit the organisers, or the venue, or the arbiters, who knows? It's usually something to do with dinner.Roger de Coverly wrote:The current 40 moves in 90 minutes plus 30 minutes with 30 second increments is something clawed back by those such as arbiters as rather more suitable for one round a day chess.Alex Holowczak wrote: I hadn't realised the FIDE President has said this.
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When an organisation - which may not be a national federation necessarily - bids to host an event, the time control comes as part of the package they inherit. They may want to have 7-hour games, but they're not allowed to vary from the 5-hour time control in the Handbook. So I'm not sure it's anything to do with any of the team who bid to host the event. There's not a lot they can do about it.NickFaulks wrote:Clawed back by the arbiters? They could have a proper time control like the 4NCL if they wanted it, and from what I'm told most of the top players would like that. However, this doesn't suit the organisers, or the venue, or the arbiters, who knows? It's usually something to do with dinner.Roger de Coverly wrote:The current 40 moves in 90 minutes plus 30 minutes with 30 second increments is something clawed back by those such as arbiters as rather more suitable for one round a day chess.Alex Holowczak wrote: I hadn't realised the FIDE President has said this.
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It pre-dates the forum by several years. It's probably mentioned on the SCCU site http://www.sccu.ndo.co.uk, but a quick browse failed to find it.NickFaulks wrote: I'm not sure about the "swiftly". Was this never a forum topic? It should have been.
From memory, there were issues raised with some of the ratings in the 4NCL and the international grader was then replaced. I don't think it ranked very high on the scale of international sporting scandals. There was an issue with a USA tournament report in which results were reported in an order which enabled a player to reach one of the title rating thresholds. Again this was discovered and rapidly corrected.
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Kirsan wanted the Olympiad, world championships and other events at 90 30 or even faster. Others in FIDE didn't and managed to get the 40 in 90 plus 30 with 30 second increments as an agreed compromise. I had the idea it was Stewart Reuben amongst others who was opposed to faster move rates for title events. Hence the comment about arbiters. The five hour session now seems to be generally accepted apart from events like Hastings, 4NCL and the British Championships which never adopted 90 30 in the first place. For a brief period around ten years ago, it seemed that if you didn't adopt 90 30, your event couldn't be rated or count for title norms.NickFaulks wrote: Clawed back by the arbiters?
Here's a snooty letter from David Anderton for example
http://web.archive.org/web/200104072152 ... 020201.htm
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Who elects the president of FIFA?JustinHorton wrote: I don't think so (at least as regards FIFA, which I've just looked up). Of course the Executive, which manages FIFA's bribe-taking activities day-to-day, includes just a few of the member associations, but the Congress, I think, includes all of them on an equal basis.
I know that the high profile elections such as the award of the World Cup are the Executive. This contrasts with FIDE where the award of the Olympiad is determined by the GA.
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Which events are you talking about. So far as I know, FIDE only specify time controls for World Championships, Olympiads and some junior events. Anyway, FIDE certainly has no grip on the Chess Classic!Alex Holowczak wrote: When an organisation - which may not be a national federation necessarily - bids to host an event, the time control comes as part of the package they inherit. They may want to have 7-hour games, but they're not allowed to vary from the 5-hour time control in the Handbook. So I'm not sure it's anything to do with any of the team who bid to host the event. There's not a lot they can do about it.
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