ECF Elections

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Re: ECF Elections

Post by Peter D Williams » Tue Sep 02, 2014 4:46 pm

Mick Norris wrote:
We now have a contested election for Junior Director - an all-MCCU contest Traci Whitfield v Dave Levens, will be interesting to see who wins that one
Is this the David Levens http://ratings.fide.com/card.phtml?event=413763

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Re: ECF Elections

Post by Roger de Coverly » Tue Sep 02, 2014 4:52 pm

Peter D Williams wrote:
Is this the David Levens ?
Yes. Also http://www.mccu.org.uk/junior.htm

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Re: ECF Elections

Post by Peter D Williams » Tue Sep 02, 2014 5:03 pm

Roger de Coverly wrote:
Yes. Also http://www.mccu.org.uk/junior.htm
Looks like David has a more impressive CV
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Re: ECF Elections

Post by Carl Hibbard » Tue Sep 02, 2014 6:29 pm

The president announcement looks good.
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Re: ECF Elections

Post by Rob Thompson » Tue Sep 02, 2014 7:25 pm

This Dominic Lawson: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/artic ... ation.html

That is literally the first article that appeared when googling his name. I somehow doubt that associating with this sort of person is really something that the ECF wants to be doing.
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Re: ECF Elections

Post by Michael Farthing » Tue Sep 02, 2014 7:38 pm

Why not?

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Re: ECF Elections

Post by Stewart Reuben » Tue Sep 02, 2014 7:56 pm

Dominic Lawson is a very well-known reporter/columnist. Rob Thompson, you have happened on one of his articles where you disagree with a point he makes. That positive discrimination can also have the effect, from the other viewpoint, of being negative discrimination.
Deciding, from that only, not to support him as ECF President, is highly discriminatory.

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Re: ECF Elections

Post by Carl Hibbard » Tue Sep 02, 2014 7:59 pm

Rob Thompson wrote:This Dominic Lawson: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/artic ... ation.html

That is literally the first article that appeared when googling his name. I somehow doubt that associating with this sort of person is really something that the ECF wants to be doing.
I have him down as an excellent choice so perhaps further investigation is worth your time.
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Re: ECF Elections

Post by Michael Flatt » Tue Sep 02, 2014 8:08 pm

I think Dominic Lawson will command a lot of support from a wide range of chess players.

He is a well regarded journalist and strong chess player himself. I recall that on many occasions he has been involved in promoting chess and the events have always been positive, thoughtful and well received.

He seems to be well suited to the role of ECF President.
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Re: ECF Elections

Post by Martin Regan » Tue Sep 02, 2014 8:14 pm

Rob Thompson Wrote
This Dominic Lawson: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/artic ... ation.html

That is literally the first article that appeared when googling his name. I somehow doubt that associating with this sort of person is really something that the ECF wants to be doing.
Are you for real? You had to Google him?

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Re: ECF Elections

Post by Carl Hibbard » Tue Sep 02, 2014 8:22 pm

Your attention is drawn to suggestions for the Governance committee :shock:
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Re: ECF Elections

Post by Ian Kingston » Tue Sep 02, 2014 8:33 pm

Might be worth (re-)reading this thread about Dominic Lawson:

http://www.ecforum.org.uk/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6127

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Re: ECF Elections

Post by JustinHorton » Tue Sep 02, 2014 9:05 pm

Stewart Reuben wrote:Dominic Lawson is a very well-known reporter/columnist. Rob Thompson, you have happened on one of his articles where you disagree with a point he makes. That positive discrimination can also have the effect, from the other viewpoint, of being negative discrimination.
Deciding, from that only, not to support him as ECF President, is highly discriminatory.
This doesn't make the slightest sense.
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Re: ECF Elections

Post by Jonathan Rogers » Tue Sep 02, 2014 9:24 pm

Martin Regan wrote:Rob Thompson Wrote
This Dominic Lawson: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/artic ... ation.html

That is literally the first article that appeared when googling his name. I somehow doubt that associating with this sort of person is really something that the ECF wants to be doing.
Are you for real? You had to Google him?
My thoughts precisely.

Dominic Lawson is potentially an excellent appointment. I will just mention the "but" and hope that nothing further needs to be said of it. He has had a very close working relationship with the well known chess journalist Ray Keene, who will no doubt be the first to tweet the success of his associate when he is elected, and who may well suggest ways to DL in which he (RDK) can return to the mainstream ECF or contribute behind the scenes.

Eg, http://streathambrixtonchess.blogspot.c ... -here.html

Now, it is possible that RDK is able to make positive contributions to English chess, and that having DL as President may encourage him to make them. So I am not speaking as one of those who would is shocked at the mere mention of Keene's name. But of course RDK is just as often, or more often, associated with calamity in English chess, and his associations with former President CJ were part of the whole disastrous story of the latter's Presidency.

I would like to think that DL, as ECF President, would learn the lessons from the CJ experience and treat any further ventures with Keene with caution and seek the agreement with senior figures in English chess, and the Board, before involving him in any way. But will he want to do that? Does anyone know, and has the Board asked? Further, I have some concern that there seems to be no one on the Board who has the knowledge, authority and inclination to have an open discussion with him about this. Virtually the whole of the rest of the ECF Board were largely unheard of just five years ago, let alone active in English chess in the 1980s when Keene found himself resigning from the BCF to ward off an inquiry into Tunis 1985.

So that is my caveat.

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Re: ECF Elections

Post by Lewis Martin » Tue Sep 02, 2014 9:47 pm

Is Dominic Lawson that well known amongst the younger generation? While I HAVE heard about him, I do not know much about him other than as a journalist (family connections aside). I don't read the Mail, and knowing Rob, he doesn't either!

Anyway, that's beside the point.
Jonathan Rogers wrote: seek the agreement with senior figures in English chess
Who are the people you mention?

Given past rumblings on the ECF's (in)activity, are "senior figures" the best people to talk to?

Why should he, he's the President! (Should Lawson succeed)
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