Kirsan Ilyumzhinov in London
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Re: Kirsan Ilyumzhinov in London
They did well to get the minutes out so quickly.
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Re: Kirsan Ilyumzhinov in London
There's moreMarcus Misson wrote:They did well to get the minutes out so quickly.
http://www.rusemb.org.uk/press/1983
(Russian Embassy)
and
http://gbr.rs.gov.ru/en/node/3305
(Rossotrudnichestvo)
If you wanted to be charitable, you could say that the latter organisation was akin to the British Council. If you didn't, it's a Russian propaganda outfit.
If the ECF was a bit more prompt about reporting its activities, any members uneasy about the ECF seemingly becoming beholden to the Russian regime and its representative, the FIDE President, might have been able to express their concerns.
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Re: Kirsan Ilyumzhinov in London
This is the ECF's side of the story
http://www.englishchess.org.uk/fide-ecf ... more-32961
You could wonder whether FIDE and the ECF were attending the same meetings.
http://www.englishchess.org.uk/fide-ecf ... more-32961
You could wonder whether FIDE and the ECF were attending the same meetings.
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Re: Kirsan Ilyumzhinov in London
Roger de Coverly wrote:This is the ECF's side of the story
http://www.englishchess.org.uk/fide-ecf ... more-32961
In the light of Ilyumzhinov's human rights record, I find the ECF's behaviour unacceptable.
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Re: Kirsan Ilyumzhinov in London
I think Kasparov has given up on Kasparov. The problem was that he wasn't just opposed by the FIDE establishment, as were Kok and Karpov, but also the Russian Diplomatic service.Carl Hibbard wrote:Has the ECF now given up on Kasparov then?
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Re: Kirsan Ilyumzhinov in London
Perhaps they're not as dim as they like to appear.Carl Hibbard wrote:Has the ECF now given up on Kasparov then?
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Re: Kirsan Ilyumzhinov in London
You reckon the Russian Diplomatic Service had that much influence?Roger de Coverly wrote:I think Kasparov has given up on Kasparov. The problem was that he wasn't just opposed by the FIDE establishment, as were Kok and Karpov, but also the Russian Diplomatic service.Carl Hibbard wrote:Has the ECF now given up on Kasparov then?
(FWIW, my personal view is that Kasparov is a lousy politician and ran an awful, largely-negative, campaign with the wrong people to guide and support him.)
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Re: Kirsan Ilyumzhinov in London
What have the ECF done that's unacceptable? Should they not engage with FIDE?Peter Sowray wrote:In the light of Ilyumzhinov's human rights record, I find the ECF's behaviour unacceptable.Roger de Coverly wrote:This is the ECF's side of the story
http://www.englishchess.org.uk/fide-ecf ... more-32961
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Re: Kirsan Ilyumzhinov in London
The ECF's own record of the meeting shows that they failed to challenge Ilyumzhinov's human rights record. Or if they did, they chose not to publish this.Angus French wrote: What have the ECF done that's unacceptable? Should they not engage with FIDE?
In either case, that's unacceptable.
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Re: Kirsan Ilyumzhinov in London
Do we actually know much about Ilyumzhinov's human rights record? He certainly doesn't seem to mind contact with odious regimes ( when other leaders do that it's called diplomacy ) but I suspect he has less blood on his own hands than recent UK administrations.Peter Sowray wrote:The ECF's own record of the meeting shows that they failed to challenge Ilyumzhinov's human rights record. Or if they did, they chose not to publish this.Angus French wrote: What have the ECF done that's unacceptable? Should they not engage with FIDE?
In either case, that's unacceptable.
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Re: Kirsan Ilyumzhinov in London
Kirsan Ilyumzhinov has many faults. It's not immediately obvious to me why you consider his "human rights record" to be one of them.Peter Sowray wrote:The ECF's own record of the meeting shows that they failed to challenge Ilyumzhinov's human rights record. Or if they did, they chose not to publish this.Angus French wrote: What have the ECF done that's unacceptable? Should they not engage with FIDE?
In either case, that's unacceptable.
Could you elaborate, please?
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Re: Kirsan Ilyumzhinov in London
David,David Sedgwick wrote: Kirsan Ilyumzhinov has many faults. It's not immediately obvious to me why you consider his "human rights record" to be one of them.
Could you elaborate, please?
There are many good sources. You could start by googling Larisa Yudina, or visit the Kingpin site and look at their material. Or read Sarah Hurst's book.
Best,
Peter
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Re: Kirsan Ilyumzhinov in London
Yes, but they're really all the same source. If there were a pattern of bad behaviour I would expect more that one single story, repeated ad infinitum.Peter Sowray wrote:
David,
There are many good sources. You could start by googling Larisa Yudina, or visit the Kingpin site and look at their material. Or read Sarah Hurst's book.
Best,
Peter
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