Qualification Regulation for British Championship

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Michael Flatt
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Qualification Regulation for British Championship

Post by Michael Flatt » Sun Apr 12, 2015 9:28 pm

Has anyone recently read the Qualification Regulations for the British Championships?

They seem to evolve each year with no announcements drawing attention to important changes.

For instance, in 2014 a new reporting requirement was placed on organisers of events:
Organisers of events in routes 12-16 must notify the Director of Home Chess within 14 days of the completion of the event.

In 2015, the requirement was made more stringent:
Organisers of events in routes 12-16 must send the ECF-grading or FIDE-rating file to the Qualification Secretary within 7 days of the completion of the event.

Has anyone been refused entry because their qualification to the event had not been reported by the organisers within the required timescale?

References:
1. http://englishchess.org.uk/BCC/bcc-2014 ... #more-3979
2. http://www.britishchesschampionships.co ... tion-regs/

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Re: Qualification Regulation for British Championship

Post by Michael Flatt » Mon Apr 13, 2015 10:32 am

The list of Qualifiers to the British Championship via Qualifying Tournaments is easily overlooked.

For convenience I provide a link to the relevant page: http://www.britishchesschampionships.co ... lifiers/2/

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Re: Qualification Regulation for British Championship

Post by Alan Walton » Mon Apr 13, 2015 10:39 am

Looking at this I am wondering why my name isn't under the Isle of Man qualification, I actually beat Alistair Hill in the last round

I may not be taking it up, but officially I still should be on the list

http://www.iominternationalchess.com/im ... index.html

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Re: Qualification Regulation for British Championship

Post by Michael Flatt » Mon Apr 13, 2015 11:02 am

The Organisers might have made a mistake and assumed that you had previously qualified or, more likely, the result of your final game might initially have been recorded incorrectly and the correction only made after the BC place had been awarded.

On page 1 of the list is the advice:
For all qualification queries email Tom Thorpe – [email protected]

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Re: Qualification Regulation for British Championship

Post by Tim Spanton » Wed Apr 22, 2015 10:13 am

Anyone know how to find out if you really have qualified?

I was told I had qualified from Guernsey but my name is not on the list and I didn't get a reply when I emailed [email protected]

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Re: Qualification Regulation for British Championship

Post by Roger de Coverly » Wed Apr 22, 2015 11:03 am

Tim Spanton wrote: I was told I had qualified from Guernsey but my name is not on the list and I didn't get a reply when I emailed [email protected]
I'd guess it's an error. The highest placed ENG players scored 4.5 at Guernsey.

http://www.guernseychessclub.org.gg/fes ... urnament=O

and there were seven of them, with six, excluding Tim, listed at the Championships site.

http://www.britishchesschampionships.co ... lifiers/2/

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Re: Qualification Regulation for British Championship

Post by David Sedgwick » Wed Apr 22, 2015 11:33 am

Roger de Coverly wrote:
Tim Spanton wrote: I was told I had qualified from Guernsey but my name is not on the list and I didn't get a reply when I emailed [email protected]
I'd guess it's an error. The highest placed ENG players scored 4.5 at Guernsey.

http://www.guernseychessclub.org.gg/fes ... urnament=O

and there were seven of them, with six, excluding Tim, listed at the Championships site.

http://www.britishchesschampionships.co ... lifiers/2/
Hi Tim,

I agree with what Roger has said and I shall pursue the matter on your behalf.

David

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Re: Qualification Regulation for British Championship

Post by Adam Raoof » Wed Apr 22, 2015 6:23 pm

I have not had a reply regarding Southend either!
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Re: Qualification Regulation for British Championship

Post by James Coleman » Wed Apr 22, 2015 7:30 pm

I'm not on the list either, I thought I should be qualified by ECF grade.

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Re: Qualification Regulation for British Championship

Post by Michael Flatt » Thu Apr 23, 2015 12:16 am

The list of players qualified to play in the British Championship which is published on the event website seems only to be updated very sporadically.

I raised a query in January about a missing entry and only recently received an acknowledgement. Even now the information I provided has not been included.

There seems little point in publishing the list if it is allowed to remain inaccurate and incomplete.

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Re: Qualification Regulation for British Championship

Post by Brian Valentine » Thu Apr 23, 2015 8:04 am

My understanding is that part of the problem has been the restricted publication of the grading website data -a good source of tournament results. We have recently put in place a workaround, so hopefully the situation will improve.
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Re: Qualification Regulation for British Championship

Post by Alex McFarlane » Thu Apr 23, 2015 9:17 am

There is a bit of a Catch 22 scenario here.

Organisers cannot establish which players have already qualified so cannot then forward on the names of the new qualifiers from their event.

At the beginning of the year I was unable to access the list at all to try to establish the qualifiers from an event I was involved in. At least the (outdated) list can now be accessed.

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Re: Qualification Regulation for British Championship

Post by Roger de Coverly » Thu Apr 23, 2015 9:26 am

Alex McFarlane wrote: Organisers cannot establish which players have already qualified so cannot then forward on the names of the new qualifiers from their event.
There are getting to be so many qualifiers that a flag on the grading record indicating qualification status would not be amiss. With the tiebreak to enforce single qualifiers mostly being removed and any number of pre-qualified players, you can get half a dozen or more qualifiers from a single event, as seen at Guernsey and Scarborough. When these players go to their next event, they can push down the score needed to become a qualifier.

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Re: Qualification Regulation for British Championship

Post by Adam Raoof » Thu Apr 23, 2015 9:48 am

Roger de Coverly wrote:
Alex McFarlane wrote: Organisers cannot establish which players have already qualified so cannot then forward on the names of the new qualifiers from their event.
There are getting to be so many qualifiers that a flag on the grading record indicating qualification status would not be amiss. With the tiebreak to enforce single qualifiers mostly being removed and any number of pre-qualified players, you can get half a dozen or more qualifiers from a single event, as seen at Guernsey and Scarborough. When these players go to their next event, they can push down the score needed to become a qualifier.
This would be an excellent idea, especially for organisers of BCQ events, but also for players in contention for a place!
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Re: Qualification Regulation for British Championship

Post by Ian Thompson » Thu Apr 23, 2015 6:31 pm

Alex McFarlane wrote:There is a bit of a Catch 22 scenario here.

Organisers cannot establish which players have already qualified so cannot then forward on the names of the new qualifiers from their event.
Presumably an even bigger problem is players wishing to qualify not knowing who their rivals for a place are when they take part in an event with qualifying places available.