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Post by Jon D'Souza-Eva » Fri Jun 02, 2023 11:44 am

Edward Winter mentions that:
"The matter is discussed by Bruce Monson in an article about Reshevsky on pages 46-55 of the 1/2019 New in Chess."
Does anyone have a copy of that?

Monson's conclusion was that Reshevsky was at least two years older than advertised and can be seen in the comments on this page:
https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1622813

Here is a scan of Samuel Reshevsky's draft card, which again has the 26th November, 1911, date:
https://imgbox.com/DtdFKlT1

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Post by John Townsend » Fri Jun 02, 2023 12:01 pm

Jon's quote about Monson is from a different article by Edward Winter, The Chess Prodigy Samuel Reshevsky:

https://www.chesshistory.com/winter/ext ... vsky1.html

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Post by Jon D'Souza-Eva » Fri Jun 02, 2023 12:43 pm

I found a copy of Bruce Monson's article in 1/2019 New in Chess. It contains the following scan of a Polish reigstration document:
https://imgbox.com/8yBE9qxV

It also states than Samuel Reshevy's younger sister, Tauba, was born on the 4th May, 1912. This would make Samuel's birth less than six months earlier extremely unlikely.
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Post by MSoszynski » Fri Jun 02, 2023 2:20 pm

Jon D'Souza-Eva wrote:
Fri Jun 02, 2023 12:43 pm
I found a copy of Bruce Monson's article in 1/2019 New in Chess. It contains the following scan of a Polish reigstration document:
https://imgbox.com/8yBE9qxV

It also states than Samuel Reshevy's younger sister, Tauba, was born on the 4th May, 1912. This would Samuel's birth less than six months earlier extremely unlikely.
"It" must refer to Monson's creative speculation about the precise date. The compelling registration document, which I discovered first and published first, does not reveal the birth month.

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Post by Jon D'Souza-Eva » Fri Jun 02, 2023 2:49 pm

"It" refers to Monson's article in 1/2019 New in Chess. He also mentions you in regards to the registration document(s):
I should also mention that Marek Soszynski discovered some of the same information independently and has included at least one of the documents in the digital release of his new book, The Great Reshevsky: Chess Prodigy & Old Warrior (2018).
On Ancestry there is a passenger list for the ship that Samuel Reshevsky and his parents took from Southampton to New York. It is dated 27th October, 1920. In this Samuel's age is given as 9, which of course would be incorrect if he was born on the 26th November, 1911. The column for this value is clearly labelled as the age last birthday, so although Samuel would have been 9 a month after the trip it seems a bit strange to put 9 rather than 8 as his age.
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Post by Matt Mackenzie » Fri Jun 02, 2023 4:19 pm

Yes, but he wouldn't be nine then had he actually been born in 1909 either.
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Post by MSoszynski » Fri Jun 02, 2023 10:21 pm

Jon D'Souza-Eva wrote:
Fri Jun 02, 2023 2:49 pm
"It" refers to Monson's article in 1/2019 New in Chess. He also mentions you in regards to the registration document(s):
I should also mention that Marek Soszynski discovered some of the same information independently and has included at least one of the documents in the digital release of his new book, The Great Reshevsky: Chess Prodigy & Old Warrior (2018).
On Ancestry there is a passenger list for the ship that Samuel and Reshevsky and his parents took from Southampton to New York. It is dated 27th October, 1920. In this Samuel's age is given as 9, which of course would be incorrect if he was born on the 26th November, 1911. The column for this value is clearly labelled as the age last birthday, so although Samuel would have been 9 a month after the trip it seems a bit strange to put 9 rather than 8 as his age.
Reshevsky's childhood age had been reported variously and inconsistently — not only in his tours across Europe but even early on in America.

Inevitably I must refer you to my book.

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Post by John Townsend » Sat Jun 03, 2023 11:38 am

I'm interested in these two registration cards. How have these children been identified as the family of S.H.R.? (Perhaps this is explained in the book or in Monson's article, but I don't have access to either at present.)