I'd think 5 and 6 are also the annual Anglo Dutch match. www.olimpbase.org appears to have overlooked that long running match series. Perhaps no one told them about it.Ron de Haas wrote: 5. J H Donner vs Keene 1-0 41 1971 London (England) D07 Queen's Gambit Declined, Chigorin Defense
6. Keene vs J H Donner 0-1 20 1971 Team Match E04 Catalan, Open, 5.Nf3
As far as I know Donner didn't play against keen in the Olympiad 1968. I think this is the second game of Vlissingen 1968
Chessgames of Jan Hein Donner
-
- Posts: 21301
- Joined: Tue Apr 15, 2008 2:51 pm
Re: Chessgames of Jan Hein Donner
-
- Posts: 11
- Joined: Tue Jun 12, 2012 6:28 pm
Re: Chessgames of Jan Hein Donner
I'm sorryIan Thompson wrote:Hartley Wintney is the correct spelling.Ron de Haas wrote:In October 1975 a match was played in hartley whitney, hampshire.
-
- Posts: 1420
- Joined: Fri Jun 01, 2007 6:31 pm
Re: Chessgames of Jan Hein Donner
Ron de Haas
here's 2 you might not have by the sound of it : -
Donner,Jan Hein - Keene,Raymond Dennis [E45]
Elvetham Hall tt, 1975
1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 Bb4 4.e3 b6 5.Nge2 Ba6 6.a3 Bxc3+ 7.Nxc3 d5 8.b3 0-0 9.Be2 Nc6 10.a4 Na5 11.Ba3 Re8 12.0-0 c5 13.dxc5 bxc5 14.Nb5 Qb6 15.Qc2 Rac8 16.Bb2 e5 17.cxd5 Nxd5 18.Rfd1 Bb7 19.Bc3 Nxc3 20.Qxc3 Rc6 21.f3 h5 22.Rd7 a6 23.Nd6 Rxd6 24.Rxd6 Qxd6 25.Qxa5 Rc8 26.Rd1 Qh6 27.Qc3 Qe6 28.Bc4 Qe7 29.Qd2 Rb8 30.Qd6 Re8 31.Qxe7 Rxe7 32.Rd8+ Kh7 33.Kf2 h4 34.a5 g6 35.Ke2 Kg7 36.Rd6 Rc7 37.Kd3 h3 38.gxh3 Bxf3 39.Rxa6 g5 40.e4 Bg2 41.Rd6 Bxh3 42.Ke3 f6 43.a6 Kg6 44.Rd8 Bg2 45.Rg8+ Kh5 46.Rb8 1-0
Donner,Jan Hein - Janosevic [E68]
Whitby, 1959
1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.g3 Bg7 4.Bg2 0-0 5.Nf3 d6 6.0-0 Nbd7 7.Qc2 e5 8.Rd1 Re8 9.Nc3 c6 10.e4 Qe7 11.b3 a5 12.Ba3 exd4 13.Nxd4 Nc5 14.f3 h5 15.Bc1 h4 16.g4 Nxg4 17.fxg4 Bxg4 18.Nf3 Bxf3 19.Bxf3 Qf6 0-1
and a link to the Cheltenham 1953 Tournament Chart where Donner scored 10/12
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=rvzG ... &q&f=false
here's 2 you might not have by the sound of it : -
Donner,Jan Hein - Keene,Raymond Dennis [E45]
Elvetham Hall tt, 1975
1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 Bb4 4.e3 b6 5.Nge2 Ba6 6.a3 Bxc3+ 7.Nxc3 d5 8.b3 0-0 9.Be2 Nc6 10.a4 Na5 11.Ba3 Re8 12.0-0 c5 13.dxc5 bxc5 14.Nb5 Qb6 15.Qc2 Rac8 16.Bb2 e5 17.cxd5 Nxd5 18.Rfd1 Bb7 19.Bc3 Nxc3 20.Qxc3 Rc6 21.f3 h5 22.Rd7 a6 23.Nd6 Rxd6 24.Rxd6 Qxd6 25.Qxa5 Rc8 26.Rd1 Qh6 27.Qc3 Qe6 28.Bc4 Qe7 29.Qd2 Rb8 30.Qd6 Re8 31.Qxe7 Rxe7 32.Rd8+ Kh7 33.Kf2 h4 34.a5 g6 35.Ke2 Kg7 36.Rd6 Rc7 37.Kd3 h3 38.gxh3 Bxf3 39.Rxa6 g5 40.e4 Bg2 41.Rd6 Bxh3 42.Ke3 f6 43.a6 Kg6 44.Rd8 Bg2 45.Rg8+ Kh5 46.Rb8 1-0
Donner,Jan Hein - Janosevic [E68]
Whitby, 1959
1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.g3 Bg7 4.Bg2 0-0 5.Nf3 d6 6.0-0 Nbd7 7.Qc2 e5 8.Rd1 Re8 9.Nc3 c6 10.e4 Qe7 11.b3 a5 12.Ba3 exd4 13.Nxd4 Nc5 14.f3 h5 15.Bc1 h4 16.g4 Nxg4 17.fxg4 Bxg4 18.Nf3 Bxf3 19.Bxf3 Qf6 0-1
and a link to the Cheltenham 1953 Tournament Chart where Donner scored 10/12
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=rvzG ... &q&f=false
-
- Posts: 427
- Joined: Sun Jul 06, 2008 4:56 pm
Re: Chessgames of Jan Hein Donner
Not certain why I bother to go from memory when others with better sources than that will correct me, but from the late 70s I recall matches there against both the Netherlands and West Germany. The former was the Anglo-Dutch and the latter I think - not sure - the European Team. Matches sponsored by Lansing Bagnall, I seem to recall. But memory is fallible.Roger de Coverly wrote:Elvetham Hall was the name of a training centre in Hartley Wintney. There were a handful of matches there. I can recall being a spectator at one, but I think it was against West Germany. I'm not sure whether the match against Holland featuring Keene-Donner was the Euro Championship or the then annual Anglo-Dutch match. If it was the Anglo-Dutch match there were always two rounds, but it was possible for players to be substituted in the event of illness.E Michael White wrote:Would that be the Elvetham Hall game ?
(edit) It wasn't the Euro match, as ENG were away to NED and Miles played Donner. (/edit)
PB
-
- Posts: 21301
- Joined: Tue Apr 15, 2008 2:51 pm
Re: Chessgames of Jan Hein Donner
Donner's presence in English events of the Fifties and Sixties is not something that those of a later generation would be aware. Personally as a contemporary of Jan Tinman by age, I recall that Jan played in the Manchester and Islington Opens in the immediate pre-Fischer period, in one or two of them with disappointing results. Ken Rogoff too, nowadays better known for his IMF role, also played in at least one of BH Wood's events. His endgame technique was suspect in at least one game, if I recall the contemporary reports correctly, or was it Walter Browne?IanDavis wrote:I How dare people be so thoughtless as to simply help this man find the games in question. It is threads like this which are killing chess.
Re: Chessgames of Jan Hein Donner
I've read this thread with increasing interest and hope that the assistance rendered by forum members to Mr. de Haas is helping to save historical chess information that otherwise might soon be lost.
Re: Keene-Donner 1968 Vlissingen, Anglo-Dutch Match (D79) the game was adjourned at move 46, white having sealed 47.Qf4+ but the game never resumed as Donner resigned.
Re: Keene-Donner 1968 Vlissingen, Anglo-Dutch Match (D79) the game was adjourned at move 46, white having sealed 47.Qf4+ but the game never resumed as Donner resigned.
-
- Posts: 255
- Joined: Fri Jul 24, 2009 8:41 pm
Re: Chessgames of Jan Hein Donner
That's perfectly true, although I don't see how it relates to my humourous post. Which I understand, as it has been deleted, wasn't funny enough. One positive aspect of forums and wikis, is that people can feel free to contribute that knowledge which they possess, without being abused for it. I'm sorry if I didn't make that clear enough for everyone.Roger de Coverly wrote:Donner's presence in English events of the Fifties and Sixties is not something that those of a later generation would be aware. Personally as a contemporary of Jan Tinman by age, I recall that Jan played in the Manchester and Islington Opens in the immediate pre-Fischer period, in one or two of them with disappointing results. Ken Rogoff too, nowadays better known for his IMF role, also played in at least one of BH Wood's events. His endgame technique was suspect in at least one game, if I recall the contemporary reports correctly, or was it Walter Browne?IanDavis wrote:I How dare people be so thoughtless as to simply help this man find the games in question. It is threads like this which are killing chess.
-
- Posts: 5206
- Joined: Tue Mar 31, 2009 11:51 pm
- Location: Millom, Cumbria
Re: Chessgames of Jan Hein Donner
Smileys are there for a reason, you know
"Set up your attacks so that when the fire is out, it isn't out!" (H N Pillsbury)
-
- Posts: 255
- Joined: Fri Jul 24, 2009 8:41 pm
Re: Chessgames of Jan Hein Donner
I thought </humour> was one
-
- Posts: 662
- Joined: Tue Mar 01, 2011 11:01 pm
- Location: North of England
Re: Chessgames of Jan Hein Donner
It is notoriously difficult to 'telegraph' humour or irony online, mainly because some people are, errm, far more attuned to it than others... One man's irony is another man's cause of grave offence. As the forum has often proved, actually.IanDavis wrote:I thought </humour> was one [reason for having smileys]
Indeed. If it goes on like this, then it can only be a matter of time - and not much time at that - before we see Steve Giddens praising the forum for its splendidly positive contribution, and replacing "Egregious' with "Exemplary".IanDavis wrote:How dare people be so thoughtless as to simply help this man find the games in question. It is threads like this which are killing chess.
...Not.
-
- Posts: 11
- Joined: Tue Jun 12, 2012 6:28 pm
Re: Chessgames of Jan Hein Donner
You are right, I deleted this game of my list missing Donner games. I must check chessgames.com more oftenRon de Haas wrote:I think you are right, i'm going to check my DonnerbaseRoger de Coverly wrote:Would it be this one?Ron de Haas wrote: In October 1975 a match was played in hartley whitney, hampshire. The game Keene-Donner is missing in my Donnerbase, anyone who can send me this game?
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1555121
The chessgames.com site has 1024 Donner games.
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessplayer?pid=14765
Thanks
-
- Posts: 2318
- Joined: Sat Oct 23, 2010 8:46 pm
- Location: Dublin, Ireland
Re: Chessgames of Jan Hein Donner
Roger is right about this. Though it's a long time ago, and I no longer have a copy of the Chess magazine in which it appears, my recollection is that I attended the 1971 Anglo-Dutch match and wrote a report on it for BH. Keene trotted out 2...Nc6 as a surprise in Game 1 but Donner rapidly replied 3 Nc3 not 3 Nf3 as RDK had expected. Both games are in ChessBase's Mega database.Roger de Coverly wrote:I'd think 5 and 6 are also the annual Anglo Dutch match. http://www.olimpbase.org appears to have overlooked that long running match series. Perhaps no one told them about it.Ron de Haas wrote: 5. J H Donner vs Keene 1-0 41 1971 London (England) D07 Queen's Gambit Declined, Chigorin Defense
6. Keene vs J H Donner 0-1 20 1971 Team Match E04 Catalan, Open, 5.Nf3
As far as I know Donner didn't play against keen in the Olympiad 1968. I think this is the second game of Vlissingen 1968
Tim Harding
Historian and FIDE Arbiter
Author of 'Steinitz in London,' British Chess Literature to 1914', 'Joseph Henry Blackburne: A Chess Biography', and 'Eminent Victorian Chess Players'
http://www.chessmail.com
Historian and FIDE Arbiter
Author of 'Steinitz in London,' British Chess Literature to 1914', 'Joseph Henry Blackburne: A Chess Biography', and 'Eminent Victorian Chess Players'
http://www.chessmail.com
-
- Posts: 10364
- Joined: Mon Aug 04, 2008 10:06 am
- Location: Somewhere you're not
Re: Chessgames of Jan Hein Donner
Donner pastes Ray's Chigorin.
The game is mentioned on page 34 of Dunnington's 1996 Chigorin book for Batsford, breaking off after White's move 13 with the comment that White has "a clear advantage".
The game is mentioned on page 34 of Dunnington's 1996 Chigorin book for Batsford, breaking off after White's move 13 with the comment that White has "a clear advantage".
"Do you play chess?"
"Yes, but I prefer a game with a better chance of cheating."
lostontime.blogspot.com
"Yes, but I prefer a game with a better chance of cheating."
lostontime.blogspot.com