Chess history trivia

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Christopher Kreuzer
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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Wed Jun 01, 2016 7:31 pm

Tim Harding wrote:
Barry Sandercock wrote:How about F.L.Slous alias Selous.
Yes, Frederick Lokes Selous [aka Slous], father of a famous big game hunter who is in the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography.
Strong player in the 1830s and occasionally active thereafter. One of those who, some claimed, could (like Buckle) have rivalled Staunton had he been bothered.

Now supplying the source should be easy...
I thought I recognised the name Selous from somewhere. I'd come across that name in my readings (and television programme watching) related to World War I:

Frederick Courteney Selous

Frederick Lokes Selous had a brother, a painter:

Henry Courtney Selous

And there was another brother, a playwright, Angiolo Robson Slous (with that spelling, sometimes spelt Angelo Robson Selous?).

The other son of Frederick Lokes Selous (the younger brother of the big game hunter) was an ornithologist:

Edmund Selous

And here is a 1983 letter to the Spectator from a later Selous, recounting some of the family history in Camden:

The Selous Story - 15 JULY 1983, Page 19

I wonder if the current Andrew Selous (Conservative MP) is from that family?

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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by Richard James » Wed Jun 01, 2016 8:35 pm

Christopher Kreuzer wrote: And here is a 1983 letter to the Spectator from a later Selous, recounting some of the family history in Camden:

The Selous Story - 15 JULY 1983, Page 19

I wonder if the current Andrew Selous (Conservative MP) is from that family?
The MP's father appears to be Gerald M B Selous, who is quite likely to be the author of the letter in the Spectator.

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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by John Clarke » Sat Jun 04, 2016 1:07 am

The poem that's the subject of Tim's puzzle is of course based on the opening lines of Virgil's Aeneid: "Arma virumque cano" - "Of arms and the man I sing".

As for the Selous family, our chess-player's son gave his name to the Selous scouts, a notorious (if efficient) special unit of the Rhodesian army in the years leading up to the country's official indepencence in 1980.
"The chess-board is the world ..... the player on the other side is hidden from us ..... he never overlooks a mistake, or makes the smallest allowance for ignorance."
(He doesn't let you resign and start again, either.)

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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by Tim Harding » Sat Jun 04, 2016 11:41 am

Selous was of course writing a parody of the Aeneid. The book in which it appears has the wonderful title Leaves from the Scrapbook of an Awkward Man, pages 23-30, and the poem includes a game taken from "the Calabrois."
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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by MJMcCready » Sat Jun 11, 2016 12:53 pm

Who is this bearded chess player?
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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by Mike Truran » Sat Jun 11, 2016 1:14 pm

Tolstoy?

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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by Gerard Killoran » Mon Aug 08, 2016 10:35 am

Who wrote this?
It was 3 a.m. I was in a night café in one of the gayest cities on the continent, where I had been doing the town. Orgies were going on all round. The sexes were about equally divided. The place was devoted to the service of Venus, and was full of the blatant heroism begotten by drink. A band of musicians was playing hectic songs and popular airs. I was sitting near the orchestra, and after one of the pauses I saw that the band continued making music without its conductor, and the latter, to my astonishment, came and asked me to play him just one game of chess. I consented, and we continued playing until an empty wine-bottle came crashing on to our table and upset the board. It was intended for the head of a soldier, but had strayed in our direction. We did not resume play.

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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by Bob Kane » Mon Aug 08, 2016 1:14 pm

Simon Williams

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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Mon Aug 08, 2016 2:14 pm

Savielly Tartakower?

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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by Gerard Killoran » Mon Aug 08, 2016 2:32 pm

Not Tartakower and Simon Williams would have been too obvious an answer if it had been him - also he would have insisted on finishing the game.

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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by MJMcCready » Mon Aug 08, 2016 3:05 pm

Greco?

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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by John Moore » Mon Aug 08, 2016 3:07 pm

Looks like it was written by someone who was a linguist so Tartakower was a good guess, particularly since it has a feel of the 1920s about it. My guess is Edward Lasker because it has something of the Lasker style about it.

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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by Gerard Killoran » Mon Aug 08, 2016 3:49 pm

Not Lasker, but you're getting warmer. Earlier than the 1920s don't you think?

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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by John Moore » Mon Aug 08, 2016 3:52 pm

Oh, Frank Marshall but would Carrie have let him stay out until 3am.