Chess history trivia

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MJMcCready
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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by MJMcCready » Mon Aug 08, 2016 4:39 pm

Have to admit I am a bit curious. So pre 1920s? Any small clues on offer?

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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by Gerard Killoran » Mon Aug 08, 2016 6:39 pm

OK, fin de siècle, writes in English but not English... oh, and I expected Tim Harding to provide the answer.

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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Mon Aug 08, 2016 7:01 pm

Is it during World War I? Maybe Isidor Gunsberg?

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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by John Moore » Mon Aug 08, 2016 7:13 pm

Chris - fin de siècle means end of century. If he writes in English but not English and Tim might have been expected to provide the answer, how about the Irish-American, James Mason, who died in 1905.

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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by Gerard Killoran » Mon Aug 08, 2016 7:51 pm

Christopher Kreuzer wrote:Is it during World War I? Maybe Isidor Gunsberg?
Correct.

From The New Review - Volume 10 1894 - Page 256
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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by John Moore » Mon Aug 08, 2016 8:01 pm

Oh, well done, Chris!

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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by Nick Grey » Mon Aug 08, 2016 9:59 pm

Gunsberg was Battersea Chess Club's strongest player (not Keene or Hartston).
Though Gunsberg quite clearly shows that he is not the typical Battersea chess player who would continue the game even when the alcohol was flying around.

Well done Chris.

Nice guess of Simon Williams who Battersea have got in for a simul at their club next month. An apt choice by Battersea in the finest traditions of a Battersea type player.

Gunsberg gave a simul at the club in the 1890s.

Nick - born in Battersea, parents still living in Battersea, not far from the dogs home, ex-Battersea player.

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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by John Moore » Mon Aug 08, 2016 11:44 pm

Gerard Killoran wrote:OK, fin de siècle, writes in English but not English... oh, and I expected Tim Harding to provide the answer.
And the reference to Tim Harding is because Gunsberg is one of those in his "Eminent Victorian Chess Players"!

Must admit that I thought of Gunsberg and discarded him because I didn't see him as someone out on the town at 3am - mainly because the only pictures I remember of him were as an old man. But there are images of him as a younger man where he has a distinctly raffish air.

Excellent question, Gerard.

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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by MJMcCready » Tue Aug 09, 2016 7:26 am

Gerard Killoran wrote:
Christopher Kreuzer wrote:Is it during World War I? Maybe Isidor Gunsberg?
Correct.

From The New Review - Volume 10 1894 - Page 256

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Could you explain where it comes from, is it an article or a story he wrote? It's not the sort of thing you associate chess players with and find it rather curious.

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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by Colin Patterson » Wed Aug 10, 2016 11:58 am

This may be too easy, but I have been unable to find a biography of the player in English, so maybe not ...

Which chess player scandalously dumped his Dutch wife by doing a runner, and then sending her a telegram that simply read: "Don't expect ever to see me again!"?

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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by Matt Mackenzie » Wed Aug 10, 2016 1:07 pm

Reuben Fine?

(who was, in fact, a bit of a "ladies man")
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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by John Moore » Wed Aug 10, 2016 4:13 pm

When Fine retired from competitive chess to concentrate on his profession as a psychoanalyst, a fellow grandmaster allegedly said that it was a great loss for chess and at best a draw for psychoanalysis. The same source, Bill Hartston's obituary of Fine in the Independent, pointed out that he was married four times. I'm not sure whether that proves that Matt was right in describing him as a bit of a ladies man.

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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by Colin Patterson » Wed Aug 10, 2016 7:49 pm

No, not Reuben Fine, but the era is about right.

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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by MJMcCready » Wed Aug 10, 2016 8:49 pm

Was it James Singen-Smythe?

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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by Colin Patterson » Thu Aug 11, 2016 3:15 am

No, not James Bond. But he did once do damage to a Cuban ambassador on English shores.