Where did I go wrong?

Technical questions regarding Openings, Middlegames, Endings etc.
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Matt Mackenzie
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Re: Where did I go wrong?

Postby Matt Mackenzie » Wed Jan 04, 2017 4:14 pm

Whoops - we've all done that :)
"Set up your attacks so that when the fire is out, it isn't out!" (H N Pillsbury)

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Re: Where did I go wrong?

Postby MartinCarpenter » Wed Jan 04, 2017 8:04 pm

Should be happy to still be drawing the game after it mind :) Those sorts of 'pure' blunders are often fatal, even in good positions.

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Re: Where did I go wrong?

Postby soheil_hooshdaran » Sat Jan 07, 2017 9:48 am

Hi
After:
[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "?"]
[Black "?"]
[Result "*"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 Bg7 4. e4 O-O 5. Nf3 c5 6. d5 e5 7. Bd3 d6 8. Bg5 h6
9. Bh4 g5 10. Bg3 Qb6 11. Rb1 Na6 12. a3 Bg4 13. h3 Bh5 14. h4 {White is attacking on the K-side!}
I played
[FEN "r4rk1/pp3pb1/nq1p1n1p/2pPp1pb/2P1P2P/P1NB1NB1/1P3PP1/1R1QK2R b K - 0 14"]
14... gxh4 15. Bxh4 Nxe4 16. Nxe4 f5 17. Be7 fxe4 18. Bxf8 exf3 19. Rxh5
{and suddenly realized that after ...fxg2 White has Qg4, thereby I played} 19...Rxf8
Incidentally, here
[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "?"]
[Black "?"]
[Result "*"]
[FEN "r4rk1/pp4b1/nq1p3p/2pPpp1b/2P1N2B/P2B1N2/1P3PP1/1R1QK2R w K - 0 17"]
17. Ng3 Bg6 18. Bc2 e4 19. Nd2


I saw for her
Not sure if that was the right course of action

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Re: Where did I go wrong?

Postby soheil_hooshdaran » Thu Jan 12, 2017 1:32 pm

Anyone will answer if it was?

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Re: Where did I go wrong?

Postby IM Jack Rudd » Thu Jan 12, 2017 3:26 pm

You gave up a piece for no real reason, and then you lost. There's not really an awful lot more to say.

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Re: Where did I go wrong?

Postby soheil_hooshdaran » Fri Jan 13, 2017 4:32 am

I won. She gave the pice for an eexchange , and her king was in the center.
here is the whole game:
[Event "Fars League 1395[Shahrokh2-Kishomat, Borad 2]"]
[Site "Fars Chess Association, Floor 2"]
[Date "2017.1.6"]
[Round "5"]
[White "Emad, Rozhia"]
[Black "Hooshdaran, Soheil"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "E70"]
[WhiteElo "1362"]
[BlackElo "1826"]
[Opening "King's Indian defence"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 Bg7 4. e4 O-O 5. Nf3 c5 6. d5 e5 7. Bd3 d6 8. Bg5 h6
9. Bh4 g5 10. Bg3 Qb6 11. Rb1 Na6 12. a3 Bg4 13. h3 Bh5 14. h4 gxh4 {Planning to
open up the center following 15....Nxe4} 15. Bxh4 Nxe4 16. Nxe4 f5 17. Be7 (
{Missing} 17. Ng3 Bg4 18. Be2) 17... fxe4 18. Bxf8 exf3 19. Rxh5 Rxf8 ({After}
19... fxg2 {I missed} 20. Qg4 {And was forced to settle down for the text}) 20.
gxf3 Nc7 {The principle of the worsed placed piece at work?!} 21. Qe2 Qa5+ 22.
Kf1 (22. Qd2 Qxd2+ 23. Kxd2 Rxf3 {with good compensation}) 22... Rf4 23. Be4 b5
24. Rc1 bxc4 25. Rxc4 Nb5 26. Qd3 Nd4 27. Rh3 ({She could've played} 27. b4)
27... Qd8 {Avoiding b4} 28. Rc3 Qb6 29. Qd2 Qb5+ 30. Bd3 Qd7 {Instead of direct
28...Qd7} 31. Rh1 Nxf3 32. Qd1 Qf7 33. Rc4 Nd4 34. Qe1 Qxd5 {Now Black has
more than full compensation: 2 central pawns for an exchange, and he has
dseprived White's King from castling.} 35. Rg1 Nf3 36. Qd1 e4 {Closing up the
b1-h7 diagonal.} 37. Rg2 Ne5 38. Qh5 Qxd3+ 39. Qe2 Nxc4 40. Qxd3 exd3 41. Ke1
Kf7 {Actually 41...Bxb2 42.Kd1 bc3 43. a4 was played, then Rozhia stopped
the clock, got 2 minute increment from the arbitress, and the moves
were retracted.} 42. b3 Nxa3 43. Kd2 Rf3 44. Kd1 Nb5 45. Kd2 Be5 46. Kd1 Bf4
47. b4 Nc3+ 48. Ke1 d2+ 49. Kf1 d1=Q# 0-1

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Re: Where did I go wrong?

Postby Roger de Coverly » Fri Jan 13, 2017 9:20 am

[FEN "[FEN "6k1/p5b1/3p3p/q1pPp2R/2RnBr2/P2Q1P2/1P3P2/5K2 w - - 3 27"]"] [SetUp "1"] *

I would suspect once the Knight reached d4, that Black is doing well. That it was the time to bail out and seek a draw by Rxd4 would be tempting, although giving back a material advantage is always a difficult decision to take,

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Re: Where did I go wrong?

Postby soheil_hooshdaran » Fri Jan 13, 2017 12:50 pm

Where did my teammate (Black) go wrong? I highlighted some points:

[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "?"]
[Black "?"]
[Result "*"]

1. d4 d5 2. Nf3 c5 3. e3 Bg4 4. Bb5+ Nc6 5. O-O Nf6 6. h3 Bh5 7. Nbd2 e6 8. Qe1
Qb6 9. c4 Bd6 10. Bxc6+ bxc6 11. a3 O-O 12. dxc5 Bxc5 13. b4 Be7 14. c5 Qb7 15.
Bb2 a5 16. Bc3 axb4 17. axb4 Nd7 18. Nb3 Bg6 19. Na5 Qc7 20. Qd2 e5 21. Qb2 Bf6
22. Rfd1 Rfb8 23. g4 h6 24. Kg2 Be4 25. Nb3 Nf8 $2 (25... d4 26. exd4 exd4 27.
Nxd4 Ne5 28. Rxa8 Rxa8 29. Ra1 Rd8) 26. Nd2 Bxf3+ 27. Nxf3 Nd7 28. Rxa8 Rxa8 29.
Ra1 Rb8 30. Qa3 e4 31. Nd4 Ne5 32. Nf5 Nc4 33. Qc1 Be5 34. Ra4 f6 (34... g6 35.
Nxh6+ (35. Ng3) 35... Kh7 36. g5 f5) 35. Qa1 Qf7 36. Bxe5 fxe5 37. Ra7 Rb7 38.
Ra8+ Kh7 39. Rc8 Ra7 40. Qb1 g6 41. Nd6 Qf3+ 42. Kg1 Nd2 43. Qe1 *

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Re: Where did I go wrong?

Postby David Williams » Fri Jan 13, 2017 1:10 pm

What happened next? Qh3 and White resigns?

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Re: Where did I go wrong?

Postby soheil_hooshdaran » Fri Jan 13, 2017 8:54 pm

For some strange reason, Draw was agreed.
It was after your post that I noticed she was acctually winning! I think she herself missed Ra1.

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Re: Where did I go wrong?

Postby soheil_hooshdaran » Fri Jan 20, 2017 8:32 pm

I dreew this one:)
[Event "Fars League 1395"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "20.1.2017"]
[Round "9"]
[White "Kollaei"]
[Black "Hooshdaran"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 Bg7 4. e4 O-O 5. Nf3 c5 6. d5 e6 7. d6 Qa5 8. Bd2 Qb6
9. Qc2 Ng4 (9... Ne8 10. e5 f6 11. exf6 Rxf6 12. Bd3 Nxd6 13. Bg5 Rf8 14. O-O-O
Nf5 15. g4 Nd4 16. Nxd4 cxd4 17. Na4 Qc7) 10. Bf4 e5 11. Bg3 f5 12. O-O-O Nc6
13. Nd5 Qd8 14. h3 fxe4 15. Qxe4 Nf6 16. Nxf6+ Qxf6 17. Bh4 Qf4+ 18. Qxf4 exf4
19. Bd3 a5 20. Be4 Kh8 21. a3 Ra6 22. Rhe1 Rb6 23. Rd2 a4 24. Rde2 Bh6 25. Kb1
Rb3 26. Bxc6 bxc6 27. Bg5 Bxg5 28. Nxg5 h6 29. Nf3 Ba6 30. Ne5 Rg8 31. Nxd7 Bxc4
32. Re8 Rd3 33. Rxg8+ Bxg8 34. Nxc5 Rxd6 35. Nxa4 Rd2 36. Nc3 Rxf2 37. Rg1 g5
38. a4 c5 39. Kc1 Bh7 40. a5 Rc2+ 41. Kd1 Rxb2 42. a6 Rb8 43. a7 Ra8 44. Nb5 Bd3
45. Nd6 Rxa7 46. Kd2 c4 (46... Bg6 47. Kc3 Ra3+ (47... Rd7 48. Rd1 Be4 49. Rd2
Bc6 50. Kc4 Bxg2 51. Kxc5 Bxh3 $19) 48. Kc4 Rg3) 47. Re1 (47. Kc3 Ra2 48. Nxc4
Be4 49. Nd2 Rc2+ 50. Kd4 Rxd2+ 51. Kxe4 Rf2 52. Kf5 f3 53. gxf3 Rxf3+ 54. Kg4
$11) 47... Kg7 48. Kc3 Ra2 49. Rg1 Rc2+ 50. Kd4 Kf6 51. Ne4+ Kf5 52. Nd6+ Ke6
53. Ne4 Ke7 54. Nc5 Be2 55. Re1 Kd6 56. Ne4+ Kc6 57. Nc3 Bd3 (57... Rd2+ 58. Ke5
Bd3 59. Kf6 Rxg2 60. Re6+ Kd7 61. Kf7 f3 $17) 58. Re6+ Kd7 59. Rxh6 Rxg2 60. Ne4
f3 (60... Bxe4 61. Kxe4 c3 62. Kf5 (62. Rh7+ Kd6 63. Ra7 c2 64. Ra1 Rg3 65. Rc1
Rxh3 (65... Re3+ 66. Kf5 Re2 (66... f3) 67. Kg4 Rg2+ 68. Kf3 Rd2 69. Kg4 Ke5 70.
Kxg5 f3 71. h4 f2 72. h5 Rd1 $19 {[%xcpdao l]})) 62... c2) 61. Nc5+ Ke7 62. Nxd3
cxd3 63. Kxd3 Rh2 64. Rg6 Rg2 65. Ke3 Rg3 66. Kf2 Rxh3 67. Rxg5 1/2-1/2
Where did I go wrong?
I did some analysis myself, as you see.

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Re: Where did I go wrong?

Postby Roger de Coverly » Fri Jan 20, 2017 8:45 pm

soheil_hooshdaran wrote:Where did I go wrong?


Bronstein used to say "talk to your pieces". In this case, ask the White square Bishop how it felt being incarcerated on c8. But it eventually escaped and then Black was allowed to be better. I think your own notes indicate that you missed wins in the ending. Trading Bishop for Knight should result in the Rook and pawn ending being winning.

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Re: Where did I go wrong?

Postby soheil_hooshdaran » Sun Jan 22, 2017 4:38 am

Bronstein used to say "talk to your pieces"


hOW DO YOU KNOW THIS?

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Re: Where did I go wrong?

Postby Roger de Coverly » Sun Jan 22, 2017 9:12 am

soheil_hooshdaran wrote:
Bronstein used to say "talk to your pieces"


hOW DO YOU KNOW THIS?


It's in at least one of his published works, probably 200 Open Games.

LInk to a review
https://www.chess.com/article/view/quot ... -bronstein

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Re: Where did I go wrong?

Postby soheil_hooshdaran » Sat Feb 18, 2017 7:22 pm

What was my mistake in:
[Event "Iran amaters"]
[Site "Zanjan"]
[Date "2017.07.02"]
[Round "4"]
[White "Hooshdaran, Soheil"]
[Black "Mostafavi, Asadollah"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "B40"]
[WhiteElo "1824"]
[BlackElo "1794"]
[Opening "Sicilian defence"]

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 e6 3. g3 b6 4. d4 Bb7 5. d5 exd5 6. exd5 Qe7+ 7. Be3 Nf6 8. Nc3
g6 9. Bg2 Ba6 10. d6 Qxd6 11. Qxd6 Bxd6 12. Ne5 [12.0-0-0 Bc7 13.Bg5 Ng4] Bxe5 13. Bxa8 Ng4 14. Bf3 Nxe3
15. fxe3 Bc4 16. Kd2 O-O 17. b3 Be6 18. Raf1 Nc6 19. Nd5 Bxd5 20. Bxd5 Nb4 21.
e4 Kg7 22. a3 Na6 23. Rf3 Nc7 24. c4 f6 25. g4 h6 26. h4 Rh8 27. b4 d6 28. bxc5
dxc5 29. a4 Rd8 30. Kc2 Na6 31. g5 Nc7 32. Kb3 Nxd5 33. cxd5 hxg5 34. hxg5 fxg5
35. Rfh3 g4 36. Rh7+ Kf6 37. Kc4 g3 38. Rg1 a6 39. Rb7 Rd6 40. Kd3 Kg5 41. Ke2
Kf4 42. Kd3 g5 43. Rf7+ Kg4 44. Ke2 b5 45. Rd1 bxa4 46. Kf1 a3 47. Re7 Bd4 48.
Kg2 Rb6 0-1
Last edited by soheil_hooshdaran on Tue Feb 21, 2017 10:03 am, edited 1 time in total.


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