Why did he did so?

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Re: Why did he did so?

Post by Barry Sandercock » Mon Jun 19, 2017 11:13 am

I don't think it is a bad move. It depends how he follows it up.

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Re: Why did he did so?

Post by soheil_hooshdaran » Mon Jun 19, 2017 1:26 pm

The author said it was

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Re: Why did he did so?

Post by IM Jack Rudd » Mon Jun 19, 2017 1:28 pm

I don't like the look of f5 because black will respond with ...e5, and he has a solid line of protected passed pawns in the centre. If you leave the pawn on f4, black's d4 pawn is much more vulnerable to attack.

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Re: Why did he did so?

Post by Richard Bates » Mon Jun 19, 2017 6:26 pm

soheil_hooshdaran wrote:The author said it was
Does this author ever deign to explain himself?

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Re: Why did he did so?

Post by Kevin Thurlow » Mon Jun 19, 2017 7:29 pm

"Does this author ever deign to explain himself?"

Perhaps the author thought it was obvious!

I'm not saying that's the right approach, but some do it...

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Re: Why did he did so?

Post by MartinCarpenter » Mon Jun 19, 2017 8:34 pm

Ah. Having consulted Stockfish there are some concrete drawbacks.

I was - and maybe the author too? - thinking about d3 in response. That does win an exchange via Bf2 but leaves white much better. However after the disgusting, inhuman response to f5 of exf5 white can't go Nxf5 as d3 is then really quite strong.

In fact its rather inconvenient for white to get organised. Probably enough so that its better to do something else to start with.

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Re: Why did he did so?

Post by soheil_hooshdaran » Fri Jun 23, 2017 11:58 am

Why would White want to play f2-f4 in:

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Re: Why did he did so?

Post by IM Jack Rudd » Fri Jun 23, 2017 4:35 pm

Because it gives black the unenviable choice between (a) letting white play fxe5 and responding with fxe5, leaving him with a weak pawn on e5, or (b) letting white play fxe5 and responding with {piece}xe5, or playing exf4 himself, leaving white with control of the centre.

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Re: Why did he did so?

Post by soheil_hooshdaran » Sat Jun 24, 2017 7:43 pm

Wouldn't White's pawn structure be compromised in case of b, then?

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Re: Why did he did so?

Post by IM Jack Rudd » Sat Jun 24, 2017 8:20 pm

White's pawn structure is fine. What would be wrong with it?

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Re: Why did he did so?

Post by soheil_hooshdaran » Sat Jun 24, 2017 10:04 pm

He would have 3 pawn islands then, and e4-pawn would be isolated

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Re: Why did he did so?

Post by Richard Bates » Sun Jun 25, 2017 12:41 am

soheil_hooshdaran wrote:He would have 3 pawn islands then, and e4-pawn would be isolated
It is not often one comes across a literal, rather than metaphorical, example of somebody actually arguing that black is white.

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Re: Why did he did so?

Post by soheil_hooshdaran » Sun Jun 25, 2017 4:10 am

Richard Bates wrote:
soheil_hooshdaran wrote:He would have 3 pawn islands then, and e4-pawn would be isolated
It is not often one comes across a literal, rather than metaphorical, example of somebody actually arguing that black is white.
I am not arguing so.

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Re: Why did he did so?

Post by John McKenna » Sun Jun 25, 2017 8:40 am

You may think you are "not arguing so", however, because, from your own example position, you are confusing a resulting Black pawn structure - with three pawn islands and an isolated pawn on e5 - with a non-existant White pawn structure, you are indeed literally "arguing that black is white" and against yourself, due to a kind of chessical mental mirage in which your mind's eye is seeing a real Black pawn structure reflected onto an unreal White one. It is a just a trick of the light, and the dark.

Imagine that it is White to move in the position you gave, but with all the major and minor pieces removed from the board and with the White K on the square e3 and the Black K on the square e6, then after 1.f4 exf4 2.Kxf4 White has only two pawn islands, not three, and White's pawn on e4 is not isolated because there is a white pawn on d2. That is the opposite of what you argued.

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Re: Why did he did so?

Post by soheil_hooshdaran » Sun Jun 25, 2017 3:02 pm

Oh, forgot about d2