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Richard Bates
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Re: Qatar Masters

Post by Richard Bates » Sat Oct 14, 2023 9:51 am

Just musing, but without referencing the game in particular, whilst an obvious upset, i don't see why a 2510 beating a 2840 with white in a massive Swiss where the stronger player is motivated to take risks by the nature of the tournament is such massive surprise or even necessarily a failure of the rating system. People can have good and bad days. And are far more likely in an era where such rating gaps are routine due to participation of "the elite" in mass Swisses as opposed to just spend the entire time playing amongst themselves. Indeed, subject to faulty memory, i don't think this is the first time Carlsen has suffered such a set back early on in a tournament of this nature and may well have gone on to eventual victory with an overall rating point gain. As he may do here.

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Re: Qatar Masters

Post by Ian Thompson » Sat Oct 14, 2023 10:03 am

IM Jack Rudd wrote:
Fri Oct 13, 2023 7:07 pm
Mind you, Carlsen managed not to be the worst loser at this event.

https://twitter.com/askavrukh/status/17 ... 3091858790
Should the arbiters have intervened before Fedoseev's time ran out? If it was known that he had left they could have penalised him with immediate loss of the game under article 11.2.3. If the arbiters' response to that would have been that they didn't know where he was should they have started looking for him after a little while and then taken action when they couldn't find him?

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Re: Qatar Masters

Post by LawrenceCooper » Sat Oct 14, 2023 3:08 pm

One of the more spectacular draws by repetition: https://chess24.com/en/watch/live-tourn ... 023/4/1/30

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Re: Qatar Masters

Post by Kevin Thurlow » Sat Oct 14, 2023 5:06 pm

"Should the arbiters have intervened before Fedoseev's time ran out?"

Yes

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Re: Qatar Masters

Post by Matt Mackenzie » Sat Oct 14, 2023 6:04 pm

Fedoseev's quoted message above doesn't really clear things up much.

Is he another one insinuating cheating without having the stones to overtly state it?
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Re: Qatar Masters

Post by NickFaulks » Sun Oct 15, 2023 8:24 am

Matt Mackenzie wrote:
Sat Oct 14, 2023 6:04 pm
Is he another one insinuating cheating without having the stones to overtly state it?
Certainly looks that way.
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Re: Qatar Masters

Post by LawrenceCooper » Tue Oct 17, 2023 10:40 pm

Some valuable GM insight from the commentary today: https://www.youtube.com/clip/Ugkxo_1Adl ... 2Akd6X315g

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Re: Qatar Masters

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Tue Oct 17, 2023 11:30 pm

LawrenceCooper wrote:
Tue Oct 17, 2023 10:40 pm
Some valuable GM insight from the commentary today: https://www.youtube.com/clip/Ugkxo_1Adl ... 2Akd6X315g
That has to be quoted here for posterity... So funny! :D

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Commentator 1 (female voice): "Is she winning?"
Commentator 2 (male voice): "Er, is she, er, winning? She's winning or losing... <slight pause> Or its a draw! <longer pause>That's what's going on *then mumbled in quizzical tone* but how do you stop the pawn? Stop the pawn?"

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Someone else could maybe name the commentator that came up with this gem, and post the game, the result and the position that prompted such deep philosophical thoughts!! :lol:
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EDIT: Is it purely coincidental that of Carlsen's 7 pairings so far, 6 have been against Indian players? I am not sure what the odds are on that given the mix of players in the tournament as a whole. Carlsen nearly lost in round 4 against Pranesh:

https://new.chess24.com/en/wall/news/ca ... in-leaders

Olimpiu Di Luppi on Twitter: "17-year-old Pranesh reacted with incredulity to Magnus Carlsen's 43...Ke5!!, a move that gave away a full rook with check but secured a study-like lifeline."

After 6 rounds, Carlsen is in the group on 4.5/6 with four players leading on 5/6.

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Re: Qatar Masters

Post by IM Jack Rudd » Wed Oct 18, 2023 9:50 am

The usual answer to such questions is "the a priori probability of Carlsen's getting six Indians was very low; the probability of someone's getting six Indians was pretty high".

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Re: Qatar Masters

Post by Roger de Coverly » Wed Oct 18, 2023 10:55 am

Christopher Kreuzer wrote:
Tue Oct 17, 2023 11:30 pm
EDIT: Is it purely coincidental that of Carlsen's 7 pairings so far, 6 have been against Indian players? I am not sure what the odds are on that given the mix of players in the tournament as a whole. Carlsen nearly lost in round 4 against Pranesh:
Pairings are deterministic rather than random. The top half v bottom half method can lead to repeats of very similar pairings. Thus if a number of Indian players are in the target range for a Carlsen pairing, he will meet several of them.

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Re: Qatar Masters

Post by LawrenceCooper » Wed Oct 18, 2023 11:31 am

Chess-results give a breakdown of the different nationalities: https://chess-results.com/tnr831193.asp ... ES&flag=30 Out of 158 players there are 75 from India but just one from Qatar.

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Re: Qatar Masters

Post by LawrenceCooper » Wed Oct 18, 2023 5:15 pm

A loss for Magnus in round 7 effectively ends his hopes of first. There will be five, or possibly six players leading on 5.5/7.

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Re: Qatar Masters

Post by Matt Mackenzie » Wed Oct 18, 2023 7:06 pm

A loss with White to A Karthikeyan, rated 228 points lower than him.
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Re: Qatar Masters

Post by LawrenceCooper » Wed Oct 18, 2023 7:33 pm

Matt Mackenzie wrote:
Wed Oct 18, 2023 7:06 pm
A loss with White to A Karthikeyan, rated 228 points lower than him.
Albeit performing at 2775 and more than capable of taking advantage of the chances Magnus gave him, even when very low on time.

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Re: Qatar Masters

Post by LawrenceCooper » Fri Oct 20, 2023 4:46 pm

A late blunder from Arjun means that there is a play-off between Nodirbek & Nodirbek!