World Junior 1-16 August 2012

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Re: World Junior 1-16 August 2012

Post by Alex Holowczak » Wed Aug 15, 2012 9:56 am

Roger de Coverly wrote:Do the rules allow for a 9 round norm from rounds 4 to 13? I cannot recall ever seeing this mentioned, although a norm for rounds 1-9 of a longer tournament is commonplace.
You can make a n-round norm in a (n+x)-round event by removing x wins. Having removed these wins, you still have to meet the nationality criteria, if they apply. Of course, n must be greater than or equal to 9 if the event isn't one mentioned in 1.41b.

You could make a 9-round norm from rounds 5-13 if the results in rounds 1-4 were wins.

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Re: World Junior 1-16 August 2012

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Wed Aug 15, 2012 10:14 am

Alex Holowczak wrote:
Roger de Coverly wrote:Do the rules allow for a 9 round norm from rounds 4 to 13? I cannot recall ever seeing this mentioned, although a norm for rounds 1-9 of a longer tournament is commonplace.
You can make a n-round norm in a (n+x)-round event by removing x wins. Having removed these wins, you still have to meet the nationality criteria, if they apply. Of course, n must be greater than or equal to 9 if the event isn't one mentioned in 1.41b.

You could make a 9-round norm from rounds 5-13 if the results in rounds 1-4 were wins.
So in this case, it's no. It must be frustrating to see the guy you lost to in round one has only got 3.5/12 while you've recovered to 7/12. Still, as Matthew says, it has been a good recovery.

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Re: World Junior 1-16 August 2012

Post by Susan Owens » Wed Aug 15, 2012 10:16 am

It is rather a shame that Megan gets the bye in the last round. She has had a really good tournament gaining 31 points (performance 1971).
I thought it was a shame too - her initial goal was 5 results from 13 rounds, and when this was achieved she was going for 50% points and a tournament rating of 2000. 2 more years to have ago if she wants :wink:

She is quite tired now and so is really happy with 3 draws and 3 wins. She hasn't had coaching for past 8/9 months so probably misses the regular sessions from you when at Millfield.
She was going to use this event to decide on her future chess ambitions as she hasn't been able to represent Wales in adult events since we moved to Somerset 4/5 years ago, so may possibly have to change federations if she wants to compete for a place to represent a country again. We will see...

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Re: World Junior 1-16 August 2012

Post by Roger de Coverly » Wed Aug 15, 2012 10:30 am

Susan Owens wrote: She was going to use this event to decide on her future chess ambitions as she hasn't been able to represent Wales in adult events since we moved to Somerset 4/5 years ago, so may possibly have to change federations if she wants to compete for a place to represent a country again. We will see...
Aren't there a couple of ways to qualify if Welsh by birth or descent even if living in England? One is to play in the Welsh Championships and other events in Wales. Assuming it hasn't been withdrawn the other way is to play in the 4NCL for South Wales Dragons or other teams deemed Welsh.

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Re: World Junior 1-16 August 2012

Post by Susan Owens » Wed Aug 15, 2012 10:48 am

Sorry I deviated the topic, but fills time while waiting for results ; )
Yes Roger there are rules of qualification but we are not Welsh, we lived there 9 years and Meg qualified to play for Wales through this. The good thing is that once you have represented Wales as a junior you can continue to do so in junior events ie.junior events U20.

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Re: World Junior 1-16 August 2012

Post by Susan Owens » Wed Aug 15, 2012 2:59 pm

From Lawrence...

Results Final Round:

13. IM Shyam Sundar M 2486 7 1 - 0 7 IM Zhou Yang-Fan 2430
13. GM Baron Tal 2451 7 1 -0 7 FM Kilpatrick Callum 2326
13. Haria Ravi 2054 4½ 1 -0 4½ Yurtseven Melih 2126
13. Kvaratskhelia Dimitri 2093 4½ 1 -0 4½ Stepanyan Henrik 2022
13. Jefic Srdjan 2165 4 1/2 -1/2 4 Jones William E G 2127
13. York-Andersen Anna 1828 4½ 1 -0 4 Tuzi Bruna 1546
13. Messam-Sparks Lateefah 1947 4 1 -0 1 Psofimi Milia 1437

13. Davis Ashley J 1929 3 1 - 0 3½ Alexiadis Hristos 1769
13. Owens Megan R 1816 4½ 1 point bye
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Final Points:
Callum and Yang-Fan ~ 7
Ravi ~ 5.5
William and Henrik ~ 4.5
Anna ~ 5.5
Lateefah ~5

Megan ~ 5.5
Ashley ~ 4

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Re: World Junior 1-16 August 2012

Post by Mick Norris » Wed Aug 15, 2012 3:38 pm

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Re: World Junior 1-16 August 2012

Post by Peter D Williams » Wed Aug 15, 2012 6:39 pm

The English players have done really well in a very tough event. Well done to every one involved with the English team.
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Re: World Junior 1-16 August 2012

Post by Alan Walton » Wed Aug 15, 2012 7:38 pm

After checking the tables, too me this was a slightly under par performance, with every player only performing around and below their expected scores

Going off points alone isn't the best indicator of performance

The aims for any player going into a tournament should be at least gaining rating points

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Re: World Junior 1-16 August 2012

Post by Peter D Williams » Wed Aug 15, 2012 8:23 pm

Alan Walton wrote:After checking the tables, too me this was a slightly under par performance, with every player only performing around and below their expected scores

Going off points alone isn't the best indicator of performance

The aims for any player going into a tournament should be at least gaining rating points
Statistics are statistics so in that sense you are right



However we must remember that the support that a lot of other nations get from their government is huge and this is always going to have an impact until something changes in the UK.

I know 4 of our players in this competition and I know that they will have put at least 100% effort in and they deserve our support and congratulations for what they have achieved. I cannot speak for the rest of the team as I don’t know them but I have no reason to doubt that they would have done anything less. I know also that Lawrence and Mark will have done everything they can to assist the players – so hats off to them.

I am confident that we have a lot of talent coming through and we must nurture rather than just criticise
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Re: World Junior 1-16 August 2012

Post by Alan Walton » Wed Aug 15, 2012 8:43 pm

I am not criticising the individuals specifically, I would totally believe that they all put 100% effort in the tournament.

But saying they have done "really well" you mean turning up and playing to your strength and 100% effort, then that's a different definition to mine

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Re: World Junior 1-16 August 2012

Post by LawrenceCooper » Thu Aug 16, 2012 9:38 pm

I think you both make valid points. It was a great experience for all the players and with a bit more experience their scores could have been higher, given some of the positions. Thirteen rounds is very tough, especially with the no draw offer rule before move 30 in force but everyone seemed to enjoy the experience and those who are young enough are eager to play again. In Ravi's case he has another seven years so 5.5 can be viewed as a very positive debut.

I would like to thank all the players, coaches and parents who contributed to a really enjoyable event, I hope we can send another large group next year as it was nice to be one of the biggest delegations rather than one of the smaller ones.

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Re: World Junior 1-16 August 2012

Post by Peter D Williams » Fri Aug 17, 2012 2:28 pm

LawrenceCooper wrote:I think you both make valid points. It was a great experience for all the players and with a bit more experience their scores could have been higher, given some of the positions. Thirteen rounds is very tough, especially with the no draw offer rule before move 30 in force but everyone seemed to enjoy the experience and those who are young enough are eager to play again. In Ravi's case he has another seven years so 5.5 can be viewed as a very positive debut.

I would like to thank all the players, coaches and parents who contributed to a really enjoyable event, I hope we can send another large group next year as it was nice to be one of the biggest delegations rather than one of the smaller ones.
Ravi's performance was very positive and he has many years in which he can enter this event.It should also help any player who will be going to the worlds later in the year.
I think we can be very pleased with the results our junior players got at the event.So well done to every one involved in this coaches players and parents.
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Re: World Junior 1-16 August 2012

Post by LawrenceCooper » Fri Aug 17, 2012 10:23 pm

Link to Sonal Haria's report on the World Junior with photos:

http://englishchess.org.uk/Juniors/worl ... ship-2012/

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