Thessaloniki FIDE Grand Prix May 21 - June 7 2013

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Re: Thessaloniki FIDE Grand Prix May 21 - June 7 2013

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Mon Jun 03, 2013 3:35 pm

I'm not sure whether to be unimpressed with the play of these GMs in this rook endgame, or worried that it is so easy to go wrong (as I've done many times in the past in such positions). Is this a particularly complex rook endgame, or are they just playing badly?

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Re: Thessaloniki FIDE Grand Prix May 21 - June 7 2013

Post by Mick Norris » Mon Jun 03, 2013 3:36 pm

Christopher Kreuzer wrote: Need to stop trusting these online engines... (unless they are right of course!).
the evaluations seem to swing wildly from move to move e.g. Dominguez is +0.58 at move 50 rising to +0.60 if Topalov plays Kd8, then he actually plays Kd8 and it changes the evaluation to +1.99 - can't both be right
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Re: Thessaloniki FIDE Grand Prix May 21 - June 7 2013

Post by LawrenceCooper » Mon Jun 03, 2013 3:46 pm

Mick Norris wrote:
Christopher Kreuzer wrote: Need to stop trusting these online engines... (unless they are right of course!).
the evaluations seem to swing wildly from move to move e.g. Dominguez is +0.58 at move 50 rising to +0.60 if Topalov plays Kd8, then he actually plays Kd8 and it changes the evaluation to +1.99 - can't both be right
I don't know if this is because it "only" analyses x number of moves ahead so the further you go down the line the more it sees.

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Re: Thessaloniki FIDE Grand Prix May 21 - June 7 2013

Post by David Sedgwick » Mon Jun 03, 2013 3:54 pm

Christopher Kreuzer wrote:I'm not sure whether to be unimpressed with the play of these GMs in this rook endgame, or worried that it is so easy to go wrong (as I've done many times in the past in such positions). Is this a particularly complex rook endgame, or are they just playing badly?
I imagine that both of them are very tired.

If my experience at the Candidates Tournament is anything to go by, players and arbiters alike feel a level of intensity at these official events over and above that which applies at private tournaments of similar strength.

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Re: Thessaloniki FIDE Grand Prix May 21 - June 7 2013

Post by Mick Norris » Mon Jun 03, 2013 3:56 pm

it may depend on how long the opponent takes to respond?

Nakamura move 53 it evaluates as 0.00 then when Svidler makes the expected reply it changes to 4.67

Bizarre ending too in that game
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Re: Thessaloniki FIDE Grand Prix May 21 - June 7 2013

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Mon Jun 03, 2013 4:02 pm

Mick Norris wrote:it may depend on how long the opponent takes to respond?

Nakamura move 53 it evaluates as 0.00 then when Svidler makes the expected reply it changes to 4.67

Bizarre ending too in that game
Did Svidler really resign in a winning position, or is this one of those placing the kings on the central DGT square to show the correct result snafus?

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Re: Thessaloniki FIDE Grand Prix May 21 - June 7 2013

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Mon Jun 03, 2013 4:12 pm

Well, congratulations to Dominguez. Wonder what that does to the Grand Prix standings?

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Re: Thessaloniki FIDE Grand Prix May 21 - June 7 2013

Post by David Sedgwick » Mon Jun 03, 2013 4:17 pm

Christopher Kreuzer wrote:
Mick Norris wrote:it may depend on how long the opponent takes to respond?

Nakamura move 53 it evaluates as 0.00 then when Svidler makes the expected reply it changes to 4.67

Bizarre ending too in that game
Did Svidler really resign in a winning position, or is this one of those placing the kings on the central DGT square to show the correct result snafus?
The latter. Nakamura's last move was Kd4, not Ke4. This has now been corrected on the Chessdom site.

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Re: Thessaloniki FIDE Grand Prix May 21 - June 7 2013

Post by Mick Norris » Mon Jun 03, 2013 4:19 pm

Christopher Kreuzer wrote:Well, congratulations to Dominguez. Wonder what that does to the Grand Prix standings?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIDE_Grand ... _standings
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Re: Thessaloniki FIDE Grand Prix May 21 - June 7 2013

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Mon Jun 03, 2013 4:23 pm

Mick Norris wrote:
Christopher Kreuzer wrote:Well, congratulations to Dominguez. Wonder what that does to the Grand Prix standings?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIDE_Grand ... _standings
I'd just worked that out (that Topalov and Caruana are in pole position). Should have known that page would be updated faster than I could work it out...

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Re: Thessaloniki FIDE Grand Prix May 21 - June 7 2013

Post by Mick Norris » Mon Jun 03, 2013 4:25 pm

Topalov 355
Caruana 305
Moro & Shak on 240
Pono 235
Dominguez 225
Naka 215
Kamsky 210
Wang Hao 210 with 2 to play

Best 3 out of 4 count, so Caruana has hardest job to improve his score, as his lowest is 80 already
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Re: Thessaloniki FIDE Grand Prix May 21 - June 7 2013

Post by Mick Norris » Mon Jun 03, 2013 4:28 pm

Christopher Kreuzer wrote:
Mick Norris wrote:
Christopher Kreuzer wrote:Well, congratulations to Dominguez. Wonder what that does to the Grand Prix standings?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIDE_Grand ... _standings
I'd just worked that out (that Topalov and Caruana are in pole position). Should have known that page would be updated faster than I could work it out...
yes, it gives the dates for Berlin and Paris, as well as who is due to play, but both events are noted as unconfirmed

More interesting to guess those than who will win the GP :!:
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Re: Thessaloniki FIDE Grand Prix May 21 - June 7 2013

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Mon Jun 03, 2013 4:31 pm

Karjakin and Gelfand, like Wang Hao, also have a "tournament in hand", as all three have only played two so far. How are the line-ups for the last two Grand Prixs determined? Do the 'x's in the table mean that those players are participating? (I see the answer to this is 'yes'). Both Caruana and Topalov only get one more chance each to improve their score.

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Re: Thessaloniki FIDE Grand Prix May 21 - June 7 2013

Post by Mick Norris » Mon Jun 03, 2013 10:29 pm

GP5 been moved from Berlin to Beijing same dates 3-17 July
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