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Mick Norris · Post by **Mick Norris** » Tue Apr 29, 2014 2:59 pm

Karjakin draws again, that's 15 on the trot

Mick Norris · Post by **Mick Norris** » Tue Apr 29, 2014 4:19 pm

Caruana has won and Carlsen just keeps playing as normal, I presume he'll draw

Barry Sandercock · Post by **Barry Sandercock** » Tue Apr 29, 2014 5:03 pm

It doesn't look as though Magnus can win, but he will keep trying hoping for a blunder.

Christopher Kreuzer · Post by **Christopher Kreuzer** » Tue Apr 29, 2014 5:18 pm

At what point does playing on get silly....?

Matt Mackenzie · Post by **Matt Mackenzie** » Tue Apr 29, 2014 6:12 pm

I think even Carlsen agreed it was soon afterwards

Mick Norris · Post by **Mick Norris** » Tue Apr 29, 2014 7:08 pm

Will there be a playoff if Carlsen and Caruana draw their game tomorrow?

http://www.shamkirchess.az/azembassy/fi ... nt%20A.PDF

Barry Sandercock · Post by **Barry Sandercock** » Tue Apr 29, 2014 7:22 pm

I think if it is a draw tomorrow, Carlsen wins the tie-break as he would have the greater number of wins. I may be wrong about this.

Christopher Kreuzer · Post by **Christopher Kreuzer** » Tue Apr 29, 2014 7:24 pm

Mick Norris wrote:Will there be a playoff if Carlsen and Caruana draw their game tomorrow?

http://www.shamkirchess.az/azembassy/fi ... nt%20A.PDF

The wording is not entirely clear, is it?

Carlsen would win if "greater number of wins" applies, but the bit about a play-off if the tie is for first place - it is not clear if that is for any tie for first place, or only if none of the other criteria break the tie. You would assume the latter. If "according to the points, or the additional criteria" means "apply the other criteria before resorting to a play-off", then it looks like a draw will put Carlsen first.

Mick Norris · Post by **Mick Norris** » Tue Apr 29, 2014 7:59 pm

The tiebreak normally favours Carlsen, by coincidence, but I think here there would be a playoff but I'm unsure too

Matt Fletcher · Post by **Matt Fletcher** » Tue Apr 29, 2014 11:20 pm

Apparently there will be no playoff - from Twitter

Angus French · Post by **Angus French** » Tue Apr 29, 2014 11:21 pm

Peter Doggers (ChessVibes) says, on advice from the arbiter, that a playoff is theoretically impossible and a draw will give Carlsen the tournament.

Barry Sandercock · Post by **Barry Sandercock** » Wed Apr 30, 2014 10:08 am

Magnus should be able to draw today o.k. with this opening setup as white.

Roger de Coverly · Post by **Roger de Coverly** » Wed Apr 30, 2014 11:06 am

Barry Sandercock wrote:Magnus should be able to draw today o.k. with this opening setup as white.

Kamsky also likes the idea of taking undefended c pawns. In fact he's already had the same position against Karyakin back in 2009.

Played as Black, the combination of c6 and dxc4 is regarded as playable but passive. With White, the idea that you can take and hold a pawn, or at least get concessions for returning it may have some bite.

This is the position we are talking about.

Black has played .. a5. If you have this position as Black, you haven't played c6, so White usually continues with Na3 after which c4-c3 returning the pawn is sometimes considered best.

Christopher Kreuzer · Post by **Christopher Kreuzer** » Wed Apr 30, 2014 12:55 pm

Looks quite double-edged - currently at move 25, though the computer engines say Caruana has blundered with 25...h5.

Barry Sandercock · Post by **Barry Sandercock** » Wed Apr 30, 2014 1:21 pm

Magnus winning nicely now.

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