2800+ Elo Average for 2nd Sinquefield Cup

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2800+ Elo Average for 2nd Sinquefield Cup

Post by Chris Rice » Fri Aug 08, 2014 10:19 am

Another amazingly strong event to follow the Olympiad starting on the 27 August featuring the Nos 1,2,3, 5,8 & 9 in the world.http://www.chess.com/news/2800-elo-aver ... d-cup-7675

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Re: 2800+ Elo Average for 2nd Sinquefield Cup

Post by Chris Rice » Wed Aug 27, 2014 7:29 am

Strongest tournament in history starting today with an average Elo of 2802.

http://www.chessdom.com/sinquefield-cup-2014-players/

http://www.chess.com/news/5-things-you- ... ament-7464

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Re: 2800+ Elo Average for 2nd Sinquefield Cup

Post by Mick Norris » Wed Aug 27, 2014 7:01 pm

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Re: 2800+ Elo Average for 2nd Sinquefield Cup

Post by Barry Sandercock » Wed Aug 27, 2014 8:16 pm

chess.com/tv is an excellent website. Thanks for telling us about this,Mick.

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Re: 2800+ Elo Average for 2nd Sinquefield Cup

Post by Roger de Coverly » Wed Aug 27, 2014 9:50 pm

You can also follow the games on chessbomb.

Lagrave-Carlsen has gone crazy, although the site's Stockfish reckons it's about equal. Carlsen's move 7. .. a5 appears a novelty, everyone else just castles or plays .. d6.


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Re: 2800+ Elo Average for 2nd Sinquefield Cup

Post by Chris Rice » Thu Aug 28, 2014 5:46 am

Caruana beats Topalov and the other two games drawn. Although as Roger says the Carlsen game was anything but boring. Couple of reports:

http://en.chessbase.com/post/sinquefiel ... h-a-splash
http://www.chess.com/news/caruana-takes ... d-cup-7263

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Re: 2800+ Elo Average for 2nd Sinquefield Cup

Post by Mick Norris » Thu Aug 28, 2014 11:07 am

Barry Sandercock wrote:chess.com/tv is an excellent website. Thanks for telling us about this,Mick.
Barry, need to thank Mark Crowther, as usual, not me - TWIC and Mark's twitter feed are useful

Talking of which, you might want to check out
http://www.theweekinchess.com/chessnews ... efield-cup
with mention of Kasparov
and fuller analysis here courtesy of The Chess Mind here
http://www.viewchess.com/cbreader/2014/ ... 80796.html
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Re: 2800+ Elo Average for 2nd Sinquefield Cup

Post by Graham Borrowdale » Sat Aug 30, 2014 12:00 am

Caruana looking good on 3/3, having just beaten Carlsen with black. I have no idea if it was preparation, but Carlsen's bishop's opening looked unconvincing to me. A long way to go, but we could be looking at Carlsen's next challenger

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Re: 2800+ Elo Average for 2nd Sinquefield Cup

Post by Mick Norris » Sat Aug 30, 2014 7:58 am

Graham Borrowdale wrote:Caruana looking good on 3/3, having just beaten Carlsen with black. I have no idea if it was preparation, but Carlsen's bishop's opening looked unconvincing to me. A long way to go, but we could be looking at Carlsen's next challenger
After round 2, the Chess.com report said
After the game, Carlsen agreed with the statement that Caruana was becoming his main rival. On the live rating list, Caruana is now 2810, the seventh-highest live rating of all time. If he goes to 3-0 tomorrow, he'll pass GM Vladimir Kramnik's all-time best.
Caruana now at 2815.7, with Topalov's highest ever 2816.9 next in his sights - Carlsen's live rating down ( :!: ) to 2861 (which is still higher than anyone else has ever achieved)
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Re: 2800+ Elo Average for 2nd Sinquefield Cup

Post by Mike Truran » Sat Aug 30, 2014 7:21 pm

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Re: 2800+ Elo Average for 2nd Sinquefield Cup

Post by Jonathan Rogers » Sun Aug 31, 2014 7:47 am

Have just seen Caruana's win v Aronian. What a game! Seems silly to say that one is really quite impressed with the world number two (I assume that is what he is now) ... but there it is. I have yet to see anyone really explain Caruana's style, other than to say that in terms of accuracy and preparation he is clearly of the computer generation, which will soon be a meaningless thing to say in any event. Anyway, some real creative credo on show here - he can't have been "prepared" for what to do if Black closes the centre with ...d4.

But go on, who can explain Caruana?

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Re: 2800+ Elo Average for 2nd Sinquefield Cup

Post by Chris Rice » Sun Aug 31, 2014 7:55 am

I'm not sure Caruana can even explain. In an interview with Why Chess:

And how would you describe your chess style? Are you a tactician, a strategist?!

Caruana: I wouldn’t assess it in such categories. It seems to me I’m a good fighter. I enjoy playing different types of position, both tactical and strategic. I can’t say there’s anything I avoid. I can attack on a board full of pieces or manoeuvre in a roughly even position, and I’ve got nothing against the endgame.

http://whychess.com/node/2908

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Re: 2800+ Elo Average for 2nd Sinquefield Cup

Post by Mick Norris » Sun Aug 31, 2014 9:17 am

Jonathan Rogers wrote:Have just seen Caruana's win v Aronian. What a game! Seems silly to say that one is really quite impressed with the world number two (I assume that is what he is now) ... but there it is. I have yet to see anyone really explain Caruana's style, other than to say that in terms of accuracy and preparation he is clearly of the computer generation, which will soon be a meaningless thing to say in any event. Anyway, some real creative credo on show here - he can't have been "prepared" for what to do if Black closes the centre with ...d4.
He had prepared it for someone else
http://theweekinchess.com/chessnews/eve ... efield-cup
which has an excellent photo of Topalov, plus the following
Caruana introduced another new idea that he'd prepared for someone else with 15.Na2. Play was very complicated and it seemed Aronian might be close to equalisation but according to Caruana once 22.Qh5 arrived black's position was close to collapse and Caruana kept the counter-play to a minimum in scoring his fourth victory in a row.
His previous game against MVL had prep that he had done previously for Mamedyarov and not used, so maybe the key is Caruana is just better prepared (and has immense talent of course)

EDIT Caruana's live rating is now above the highest achieved by Anand and Topalov, and number 4 of all time (but he is 15 points below Aronian's highest who is third behind Kasparov second and Carlsen)
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Re: 2800+ Elo Average for 2nd Sinquefield Cup

Post by Chris Rice » Mon Sep 01, 2014 6:04 am

Jonathan Rogers wrote: But go on, who can explain Caruana?
Apparently the explanation is simple...he's not human. 5/5 unbelievable.

http://en.chessbase.com/post/sinquefield-05-is-he-human

http://www.chess.com/news/caruana-compl ... d-cup-4155

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Re: 2800+ Elo Average for 2nd Sinquefield Cup

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Mon Sep 01, 2014 8:16 am

If Caruana scores 10/10, what would his new live rating be?