Dortmund 27 June - 5 July 2015
Re: Dortmund 27 June - 5 July 2015
Meier - Caruana
Il pesce grande mangia quello piccolo
Happens all the time. Alas
Il pesce grande mangia quello piccolo
Happens all the time. Alas
Re: Dortmund 27 June - 5 July 2015
Well, Matt, I did not know that but I am not totally surprised.Matt Mackenzie wrote:You do know that modern computers have apparently shown Tal's sacrifices were often sounder than previously presumed?
Is the Meier-Caruana game an example of unsound play involving unacceptable risk?
If so, then perhaps Lasker rather than Tal would be the name to conjure with.
I have often seen good players go two pawns down with an underwhelming position, to paraphrase Justin, and just lose because they have no counterplay.
Between moves 33-37 was Black just hanging on while White inexplicably failed to find a way finish him off?
This Chessbase report may give some kind of answer -
http://en.chessbase.com/post/dortmund-03-strange-chess
Sì, ma alcuni grandi pesci di sesso maschile sembrano lasciar andare femminile.David Robertson wrote:Meier - Caruana
Il pesce grande mangia quello piccolo
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See the Chessbase report, above.
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Re: Dortmund 27 June - 5 July 2015
That seemed to be the opinion of chessbomb's Stockfish , although as others have noted, it may not be the most reliable of opinions in its instant comment mode.John McKenna wrote: Between moves 33-37 was Black just hanging on while White inexplicably failed to find a way finish him off?
I thought Lawrence Trent was supposed to be the manager, not the second, even if he can give insight into the long tradition of original play by top British players.
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Re: Dortmund 27 June - 5 July 2015
Not just moves 33-37.John McKenna wrote: Between moves 33-37 was Black just hanging on while White inexplicably failed to find a way finish him off?
That seemed to be the opinion of chessbomb's Stockfish , although as others have noted, it may not be the most reliable of opinions in its instant comment mode.
I thought Lawrence Trent was supposed to be the manager, not the second, even if he can give insight into the long tradition of original play by top British players.
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Re: Dortmund 27 June - 5 July 2015
As Roger states, above, Trent is the manager.
Still, there's nothing to prevent an English manager giving his player a hint of the eccentric English style. Apart from the player himself, of course.
I remember how Short eventually balked at coach Kavalek giving him the spirit of '68 pep talk in the big match against Gazza of Baku.
Strangely it took an IBM machine to implement the Kavalek psych-war strategy of making Gazza see, in his mind's eye, an unbeatable mirror image of himself.
One has to tread the line between manager and coach carefully.
Still, there's nothing to prevent an English manager giving his player a hint of the eccentric English style. Apart from the player himself, of course.
I remember how Short eventually balked at coach Kavalek giving him the spirit of '68 pep talk in the big match against Gazza of Baku.
Strangely it took an IBM machine to implement the Kavalek psych-war strategy of making Gazza see, in his mind's eye, an unbeatable mirror image of himself.
One has to tread the line between manager and coach carefully.
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Re: Dortmund 27 June - 5 July 2015
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Today we have Caruana-Naiditsch, Hou Yifan-So, Nepomniachtchi-Nisipeanu, Meier-Kramnik
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Re: Dortmund 27 June - 5 July 2015
Caruana, Fabiano - Naiditsch, Arkadij 1-0 41 E04 Catalan
Nepomniachtchi, Ian - Nisipeanu, Liviu-Dieter ½-½ 75 B12 Caro Kann Advanced
Hou, Yifan - So, Wesley ½-½ 40 B19 Caro Kann
Meier, Georg - Kramnik, Vladimir 0-1 54 C67 Ruy Lopez Berlin
Nepomniachtchi, Ian - Nisipeanu, Liviu-Dieter ½-½ 75 B12 Caro Kann Advanced
Hou, Yifan - So, Wesley ½-½ 40 B19 Caro Kann
Meier, Georg - Kramnik, Vladimir 0-1 54 C67 Ruy Lopez Berlin
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Re: Dortmund 27 June - 5 July 2015
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Rest day tomorrow
Round 5 pairings Friday 3rd June 2015. 2pm UK time: Kramnik-Caruana, Nisipeanu-Meier, So-Nepomniachtchi, Naiditsch-Hou Yifan
Rest day tomorrow
Round 5 pairings Friday 3rd June 2015. 2pm UK time: Kramnik-Caruana, Nisipeanu-Meier, So-Nepomniachtchi, Naiditsch-Hou Yifan
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Re: Dortmund 27 June - 5 July 2015
I think Georg Meier will be spending his rest day curled up deep inside a dark room after another result slipped from his grasp. Poor man
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Re: Dortmund 27 June - 5 July 2015
I always assumed that Short couldn't take it that the chess press gave 20% of the credit for beating Karpov to Kavalek. No danger of that with Lawson.John McKenna wrote: I remember how Short eventually balked at coach Kavalek giving him the spirit of '68 pep talk in the big match against Gazza of Baku.
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Why did you assume that?
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Wouldn't blame anyone for giving that question a bit of thought before answering...
I've just given it that and my immediate reply is - a lot of water, and eventually some bad blood, flowed under the bridge on which Short and Kavalek (and Lawson) found themselves standing. It seems to me that while Short was winning matches the winning team would soldier on, like a band of brothers, and so it seems to have done.
When the Kasparov-Short World Championship match started badly - with Short, playing Black, losing on time in a better position with just one move to make and Kasparov's draw offer also on the table - and went from bad to worse somebody would have to be scapegoated.
Kavalek was probably the most convenient choice. Once the choice was made the recriminations began to flow, and a lot was written about that. (I have only seen some of what Lawson wrote about the successful period of the partnership.) They went their separate ways and subsequent separate accounts given by Short and Kavalek have not been reconciled and neither have they, as far as I know.
[It's another(!) rest day in the 43rd Dortmund GM tournament of only 7 rounds - normal service will be resumed tomorrow.]
I've just given it that and my immediate reply is - a lot of water, and eventually some bad blood, flowed under the bridge on which Short and Kavalek (and Lawson) found themselves standing. It seems to me that while Short was winning matches the winning team would soldier on, like a band of brothers, and so it seems to have done.
When the Kasparov-Short World Championship match started badly - with Short, playing Black, losing on time in a better position with just one move to make and Kasparov's draw offer also on the table - and went from bad to worse somebody would have to be scapegoated.
Kavalek was probably the most convenient choice. Once the choice was made the recriminations began to flow, and a lot was written about that. (I have only seen some of what Lawson wrote about the successful period of the partnership.) They went their separate ways and subsequent separate accounts given by Short and Kavalek have not been reconciled and neither have they, as far as I know.
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Re: Dortmund 27 June - 5 July 2015
It's a long time ago now, but I know it seemed that way at the time. After the Karpov match ( I was excited about that result as everyone else in England ) I remember him getting a bit snippy in an interview when the discussion turned to how important having a great coach must be.Phil Neatherway wrote:Why did you assume that?
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Re: Dortmund 27 June - 5 July 2015
Round 5 (July 3, 2015)
Nisipeanu, Liviu-Dieter - Meier, Georg ½-½ 42 E42 Nimzo Indian Rubinstein
Kramnik, Vladimir - Caruana, Fabiano 0-1 38 D78 Gruenfeld 3.g3
Naiditsch, Arkadij - Hou, Yifan ½-½ 64 E48 Nimzo Indian
So, Wesley - Nepomniachtchi, Ian 1-0 49 E60 King's Indian without Nc3
Nisipeanu, Liviu-Dieter - Meier, Georg ½-½ 42 E42 Nimzo Indian Rubinstein
Kramnik, Vladimir - Caruana, Fabiano 0-1 38 D78 Gruenfeld 3.g3
Naiditsch, Arkadij - Hou, Yifan ½-½ 64 E48 Nimzo Indian
So, Wesley - Nepomniachtchi, Ian 1-0 49 E60 King's Indian without Nc3
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Round 5 standings: Caruana, Nisipeanu 3.5pts/5, Kramnik 3pts, Naiditsch, So 2.5pts, Hou Yifan 2pts, Nepomniachtchi, Meier 1.5pts.
Round 6 Satuday 4th July 2015. Caruana-Hou Yifan, Nepomniachtchi-Naiditsch, Meier-So, Kramnik-Nisipeanu
Kramnik has yet to draw a game, Caruana live rating back over 2800
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Round 5 standings: Caruana, Nisipeanu 3.5pts/5, Kramnik 3pts, Naiditsch, So 2.5pts, Hou Yifan 2pts, Nepomniachtchi, Meier 1.5pts.
Round 6 Satuday 4th July 2015. Caruana-Hou Yifan, Nepomniachtchi-Naiditsch, Meier-So, Kramnik-Nisipeanu
Kramnik has yet to draw a game, Caruana live rating back over 2800
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