2nd GM norm for Daniel Fernandez

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Re: 2nd GM norm for Daniel Fernandez

Post by LawrenceCooper » Tue Jul 14, 2015 5:33 pm

LawrenceCooper wrote:
Peter D Williams wrote:I remember felix sister she was a steady player hard to beat if i remember right. Yang'Fan is almost 3 years older than Felix so those 2 would never have played in age group events http://ratings.fide.com/card.phtml?event=468584 . Maybe it helped Felix has he is ranked Number 3 in Venezuela so would be picked for plenty of top chess events for Venezuel. I have some film of Felix playing chess here in UK :D

Lets hope Daniel is our next GM

Well time to check the tortoises.
Yes, different age groups but they were often on similar scores on England trips and so friendly rivalry existed although they both wanted the other to do well.

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Re: 2nd GM norm for Daniel Fernandez

Post by Mike Truran » Tue Jul 14, 2015 5:41 pm

Well time to check the tortoises.
What are you going to eat them with? :wink:

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Re: 2nd GM norm for Daniel Fernandez

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Re: 2nd GM norm for Daniel Fernandez

Post by Mick Norris » Wed Jul 15, 2015 9:14 am

Dan drew with his brother Michael in round 3 - not a great pairing for either of them
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Re: 2nd GM norm for Daniel Fernandez

Post by Stewart Reuben » Wed Jul 15, 2015 11:29 am

Daniel's transfer to ENG was perfectly amicable. Thus it was as cheap as it could be. Singapore have a rule that you have to be resident there in order to represent them, so they provided no obstacles. I don't know why it took so long from when Daniel first consulted me. I gave the same advice to Wesley So, make the change as soon as possible. That helped their development as players.
We have quite a numbber of players who reside in England for a relatively brief period. Felix was such a player.

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Re: 2nd GM norm for Daniel Fernandez

Post by John McKenna » Wed Jul 15, 2015 1:08 pm

Mick Norris wrote:Dan drew with his brother Michael in round 3 - not a great pairing for either of them
http://chess-results.com/tnr160626.aspx ... =30&wi=821

From which -

Pairings/Results
Round 4 on 2015/07/15 at 20:00

1 6 IM Santos Latasa Jaime ESP 2511 3 - 3 Nottet Tristan BEL 1733 101
2 103 Martins Diogo POR 1709 3 - 3 IM Kuzmicz Krystian POL 2475 7
3 12 FM Alshameary Puente ESP 2366 3 -3 Oliveira Maria Alice POR 1679 105
4 2 GM Heberla Bartlomiej POL 2558 2½ -2½ Machado Mário António POR 1863 82
5 4 GM Spraggett Kevin CAN 2542 2½- 2½ Nunes Fernando Manuel POR 1828 85
...

That cannot be right, and will probably be changed, pronto!

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Re: 2nd GM norm for Daniel Fernandez

Post by Roger de Coverly » Wed Jul 15, 2015 1:47 pm

John McKenna wrote:
That cannot be right, and will probably be changed, pronto!
They were probably following some accelerated pairing rule earlier. In one of the French versions, higher rated players are awarded dummy points in the first few rounds. This has the advantage over the system favoured by British arbiters of enabling the pairings to continue to be generated by computer software. As with almost all such systems, the difference to standard first half v second half system, is that mass culls are postponed to later rounds.

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Re: 2nd GM norm for Daniel Fernandez

Post by John McKenna » Wed Jul 15, 2015 2:07 pm

Thanks, Roger, that's the second time I've been caught out here by such pairing systems.

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Re: 2nd GM norm for Daniel Fernandez

Post by Mick Norris » Mon Jul 20, 2015 12:54 pm

Not good for Dan, but a great result for Michael

Player overview for ENG

SNo Name RtgI FED 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 Pts. Rk. Rp K rtg+/-
8 IM Fernandez Daniel Howard 2472 ENG 1 1 ½ 1 0 1 1 0 0 5.5 31 2360 10 -8.50
20 FM Fernandez Michael 2249 ENG 1 1 ½ 1 0 ½ 1 1 ½ 6.5 9 2340 20 25.00
59 Truman Richard G 1956 ENG 0 ½ 1 1 1 0 0 1 0 4.5 69 2006 20 12.20
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Re: 2nd GM norm for Daniel Fernandez

Post by Mick Norris » Wed Sep 09, 2015 9:44 am

Dan now playing at Sunny Beach with Yang-Fan Zhou, Alan Merry & James Jackson

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Re: 2nd GM norm for Daniel Fernandez

Post by Stewart Reuben » Thu Sep 10, 2015 1:03 pm

Roger >As with almost all such systems, the difference to standard first half v second half system, is that mass culls are postponed to later rounds.<

That isn't quite correct. There are culls later on, from round 2-4. But their total number is greatly reduced, provided the acceleration is continued until round 3.
If there isn't a huge spread in the ratings, then that particular reason for using acceleration disappears. If there isn't a large number of players compared with the number of rounds, that reason also disappears.
A third reason is that a player who starts well will meet a stronger field. He may require a lower score for a norm. Since the candidates don't have to fight as much for the full point, more norm may result.
The fourth reason is that it helps avoid some of the considerable diadvantages of the seeded Swiss, particularly the bouncing effect.

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Re: 2nd GM norm for Daniel Fernandez

Post by Leonard Barden » Fri Sep 11, 2015 12:33 pm

Three rounds to go. Yang-Fan joint leader on 4.5/6, two GMs played, performance rating 2594, looking good. Daniel on 4, but no GM opponents in rounds 1-7, so presumably no norm possible.

According to Chess Results Yang-Fan as Black beat a GM in round 3 in 19 moves, using his wacky a6 Dragon, but his opponent resigned when due just to lose a pawn, so I wonder if this is the full score.

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Re: 2nd GM norm for Daniel Fernandez

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Fri Sep 11, 2015 1:01 pm

How many GM norms does Yang-Fan have? I know he got one in 2013 at the Big Slick event, but is that the only one so far? Someone should really keep an up-to-date list somewhere in addition to the FIDE listings.

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Re: 2nd GM norm for Daniel Fernandez

Post by IM Jack Rudd » Fri Sep 11, 2015 1:08 pm

Two, I think.

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Re: 2nd GM norm for Daniel Fernandez

Post by LawrenceCooper » Fri Sep 11, 2015 2:32 pm

Christopher Kreuzer wrote:How many GM norms does Yang-Fan have? I know he got one in 2013 at the Big Slick event, but is that the only one so far? Someone should really keep an up-to-date list somewhere in addition to the FIDE listings.
I did for a few years but it wasn't continued when I vacated the Int. Director and IRO posts.