2nd GM norm for Daniel Fernandez
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I have no expertise in programming. Also I am not a member of the QC.
But you did not answer my question. The rules for norms are not complex. A good programmer could be hired to underke the task.
But you did not answer my question. The rules for norms are not complex. A good programmer could be hired to underke the task.
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There is software out there which comes close.Stewart Reuben wrote:Nick F> There is a hope that one day norms from all events reported for rating will be discovered automatically, but this is a very substantial task. <
That used to be true, but why is it still today for the norms? All games are sent in for rating. The rating information is put into the system. Why not also have a program to identify all norm? The direct titles are another, separate issue.
I remember Geurt and I discussing whether a substantial number of norms were overlooked by the federations. We agreed that, at the time, there must have been quite a large number never noticed.
The Vega pairing system (FIDE approved) will generate a report which goes some way to what is required -
Vega User's Manual wrote:3. Find Norm produces the file fidenorm.txt containing a list of players and their performance relative to various title norms (GM, IM, WGM, WIM). Moreover, a grid is displayed with the same info.
4. Tournament statistics. This reports general statistics of the tournament to the file
tourstat.txt. It contains the number of federations, number of rated and unrated FIDE
players, titled players, etc.
5. Norm certificate IT1: saves the files fidenormID=NasX.txt (in text format) and
fidenormID=NasX.qtf (in qtf format) containing the FIDE norm certificates: N is the
player ID, and X is the sought norm (GM, IM, WGM, WIM).
WARNING: Vega performs the calculation regarding the rating and produces a detailed
report. It is responsibility of the Arbiter to check that all the FIDE requests are present in
order to validate the certificate (i.e. number of unrated, number of titled players, etc...).
6. Statistics: saves the file tourstat.txt containing useful information about the tournament.
7. Tournament certificate IT3: produces the file FIDE-IT3.qtf containing statistical information on the tournament.
8. Import tournament in FIDE format: can import the data tournament made by another program.
I'm guessing that "8. Import tournament in FIDE format" could be combined with "3. Find Norm" and "5. Norm certificate IT1" etc to get a fair part of the way there.
The Italian author of the software is an FA as well as a programmer and is responsive to requests from registered users of his software.
Ah, but I was so much older then. I'm younger than that now.
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While I'm sure this is a useful piece of work, the warning is the point. It only does the easy part, which anyone can do on the back of an envelope.Vega User's Manual wrote: WARNING: Vega performs the calculation regarding the rating and produces a detailed
report. It is responsibility of the Arbiter to check that all the FIDE requests are present in
order to validate the certificate (i.e. number of unrated, number of titled players, etc...).
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Daniel is currently playing in the Budapest spring open; round 4 live
Board 52, not on the live boards, sees Andy v Jamie Horton
Board 52, not on the live boards, sees Andy v Jamie Horton
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Interested to see Daniel rolling out the London system against the Serbian GM. Recall that when I played Daniel a few years back - in M'cr League B Division (!?) - he squashed me with the London without much effort.Mick Norris wrote:Daniel is currently playing in the Budapest spring open; round 4 live
Board 52, not on the live boards, sees Andy v Jamie Horton
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Daniel drew yesterday and is now in a tie for 7= with 3/4. He's got a 2144 in Round 5 so he's going to need to win that, one assumes. https://chess24.com/en/watch/live-tourn ... 2017/4/1/7AustinElliott wrote:Interested to see Daniel rolling out the London system against the Serbian GM. Recall that when I played Daniel a few years back - in M'cr League B Division (!?) - he squashed me with the London without much effort.Mick Norris wrote:Daniel is currently playing in the Budapest spring open; round 4 live
Board 52, not on the live boards, sees Andy v Jamie Horton
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Re: 2nd GM norm for Daniel Fernandez
Daniel's game in Rd 5 is showing as 1-0 to his opponent without moves.
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Yeah I saw the same on Chessbomb John, guess he may have withdrawn? Hopefully we'll hear from Daniel when he gets back.John Moore wrote:Daniel's game in Rd 5 is showing as 1-0 to his opponent without moves.
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Hi Chris - I thought of e-mailing the organisers in a spirit of enquiry (nosiness?) but Hungarian is not my strong suit.
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I expect their English is more than adequate.John Moore wrote:Hi Chris - I thought of e-mailing the organisers in a spirit of enquiry (nosiness?) but Hungarian is not my strong suit.
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I expect so as well, but it's a bit much to expect everyone outside these islands to have "more than adequate" English.
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Re: 2nd GM norm for Daniel Fernandez
I expect its a simple error. I'll try emailing Daniel.
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Not a withdrawal, because he's been paired in round 6 after defaulting in round 5.Chris Rice wrote:Yeah I saw the same on Chessbomb John, guess he may have withdrawn? Hopefully we'll hear from Daniel when he gets back.John Moore wrote:Daniel's game in Rd 5 is showing as 1-0 to his opponent without moves.
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Re: 2nd GM norm for Daniel Fernandez
Thanks all for the support
I wasn't able to play round 5 due to splitting headaches that kept me up the whole of the previous night. I emailed the organisers yesterday morning and they said they understood and would pair me for future rounds if things improved. They also told my opponent, so he didn't have to wait around for the full hour. I managed to get a nap during round 5 so I said I'd play round 6 (today). I have also now had a full night's sleep although it remains to be seen how well I will play!
Obviously as a consequence I can't make a norm, nor will I (probably) win a prize, so I'm not thrilled but it had to be done.
The Horton derby was interesting- about time one happened given the number of times I've had to play Michael in events!
I wasn't able to play round 5 due to splitting headaches that kept me up the whole of the previous night. I emailed the organisers yesterday morning and they said they understood and would pair me for future rounds if things improved. They also told my opponent, so he didn't have to wait around for the full hour. I managed to get a nap during round 5 so I said I'd play round 6 (today). I have also now had a full night's sleep although it remains to be seen how well I will play!
Obviously as a consequence I can't make a norm, nor will I (probably) win a prize, so I'm not thrilled but it had to be done.
The Horton derby was interesting- about time one happened given the number of times I've had to play Michael in events!
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Good to see Dan winning in round 6
Andy Horton drew with a 2435 rated FM
Andy Horton drew with a 2435 rated FM
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