Hastings - a new national record today?
Hastings - a new national record today?
Bernard Cafferty 0.5-0.5 Alex Golding
Seventy years of separation!
Does this create a new national record for an international event?
Seventy years of separation!
Does this create a new national record for an international event?
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Re: Hastings - a new national record today?
This isn't quite within the scope of the question, but in some Bermuda Open our son William (b. 1991) was paired with the legendary US master Oscar Shapiro (b. 1909). We did wonder whether that was some kind of a record.David Robertson wrote: Does this create a new national record for an international event?
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A Chessbase article (dated 11/7/2003) may point the way to a definitive answer Nick's speculation -NickFaulks wrote:This isn't quite within the scope of the question, but in some Bermuda Open our son William (b. 1991) was paired with the legendary US master Oscar Shapiro (b. 1909). We did wonder whether that was some kind of a record.David Robertson wrote: Does this create a new national record for an international event?
http://en.chessbase.com/post/the-world- ... nagenarian
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Presumably David's original question relates to international events played under the auspices of the ECF.A few hours after this article went online Adolivio Capece, editor of the Italien chess magazine L'Italia Scacchistica, wrote us: " I am really surprised that in the list there is not GM Enrico Paoli, born on January 13, 1908 (in two months he will be 96!!). He is still playing at Master level chess. In 2003 he played the internationale tournaments in Saint-Vincent and in Bratto. He will play in Milano in December and will receive a special prize by the ECU that will be awarded next February in Saint-Vincent. He lives in Reggio Emilia and is the main organizator of the famous international tournament there. Probably he is the oldest player at Master level in the world.
In which case Cafferty,B v. Golding,A may well be a record age difference for English international events.
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Didn't Alex Golding play someone much older than him in the 4NCL a couple of years ago?
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I would guess that Stuart Milner-Barry would have been involved in bigger gaps in the the latter years of Lloyd's Bank Masters
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If Gibraltar Masters is included Bob Wade played Alex Galliano which is about a 72 year gap.
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To broaden and enlarge the topic what about a parallel investigation into the biggest age total between two competitors? Sort of Bernard Cafferty v Leonard Barden 2016 (imaginary as far as I know). To keep it manageable the game must be FIDE rated.
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You might want to stipulate a minimum rating as well. Tournaments such as the Guernsey Holiday are popular with very senior citizens and are now FIDE rated.Michael Farthing wrote: To keep it manageable the game must be FIDE rated.
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Of far more importance, does the world have a new youngest Morphy Number 4?
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You had better restrict that to British players (or events). In the World Seniors last month one player celebrated his 86th birthday and another was 89 on the day of the last round. I haven't checked who they played but even if they didn't meet each other, they probably met other octogenarians so the combined years would have been in the 170s or very nearly that.Michael Farthing wrote:To broaden and enlarge the topic what about a parallel investigation into the biggest age total between two competitors? Sort of Bernard Cafferty v Leonard Barden 2016 (imaginary as far as I know). To keep it manageable the game must be FIDE rated.
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I thought I had it cracked when, in 2004, I arranged a game between 5 year old Jonathan Pein and a 102 year old. Not, of course, FIDE Rated.
But then I found one in Iceland 4 or 5 and 103.
But then I found one in Iceland 4 or 5 and 103.
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What's the sequence here?David Williams wrote:Of far more importance, does the world have a new youngest Morphy Number 4?
Re: Professor Robertson's original query, I have s vague recollection of Bob Wade, toward the end of his life, playing a very young opponent. Does that ring any bells for anybody else?
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Presumably Morphy-James Mortimer-Edward Sergeant (City of London championship c 1908)-Bernard Cafferty-Alex Golding. But it remains true that Morphy v Mortimer, assuming they happened, were all casual games and no game scores have survived.JustinHorton wrote:What's the sequence here?David Williams wrote:Of far more importance, does the world have a new youngest Morphy Number 4?
So I continue to believe (though I would,wouldn't I) that the all-competitive game route via Morphy-Louis Paulsen/Henry Bird-Jacques Mieses is superior. From that route just three survivors remain-Arturo Pomar. Sir Peter Swinnerton-Dyer (Hastings Premier Reserves 1949-50) and myself.
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http://www.ecforum.org.uk/viewtopic.php ... rs#p147616JustinHorton wrote:What's the sequence here?David Williams wrote:Of far more importance, does the world have a new youngest Morphy Number 4?
was my source, but you will see from the following post that I agree with Leonard as to provenance.