Zurich 12-15 February 2016
-
- Posts: 10382
- Joined: Tue Apr 17, 2007 10:12 am
- Location: Bolton, Greater Manchester
Re: Zurich 12-15 February 2016
Any postings on here represent my personal views
-
- Posts: 277
- Joined: Fri Oct 03, 2014 11:51 pm
- Location: West Bend,WI USA
Re: Zurich 12-15 February 2016
anand 1 aronian 0 in under 20 moves !!!
I float like a pawn island and sting like an ignored knight
-
- Posts: 8472
- Joined: Sat Jan 02, 2010 1:28 pm
Re: Zurich 12-15 February 2016
Shambles. If this is the first attempt to show that G/40+10" can produce games of close to classical quality, it hasn't started very well.Steven DuCharme wrote:anand 1 aronian 0 in under 20 moves !!!
If you want a picture of the future, imagine a QR code stamped on a human face — forever.
-
- Posts: 4551
- Joined: Tue Apr 03, 2007 11:04 pm
- Location: writer
Re: Zurich 12-15 February 2016
Surely it has worked out excellently, showing that rapidplay produces games inferior to standardplay.
People should experiment with different rates of play. Otherwise we would still be using 40 moves in 150 minutes and 16 moves per hour thereafter with adjournment after 5 hours. That is a truly Classical rate of play. 40 in 90 + 30 minutes + 30 seconds from the first has ben shown to produce games of excellent quality. But there had to be experimentation.
People should experiment with different rates of play. Otherwise we would still be using 40 moves in 150 minutes and 16 moves per hour thereafter with adjournment after 5 hours. That is a truly Classical rate of play. 40 in 90 + 30 minutes + 30 seconds from the first has ben shown to produce games of excellent quality. But there had to be experimentation.
-
- Posts: 8472
- Joined: Sat Jan 02, 2010 1:28 pm
Re: Zurich 12-15 February 2016
In our view, perhaps, but the Zurich organisers have spent a great deal of money on this event, and have been loud in their claims that it would produce high quality chess which deserved to be rated pari passu with full length games. If they know anything about the game they cannot be pleased so far.Stewart Reuben wrote:Surely it has worked out excellently, showing that rapidplay produces games inferior to standardplay.
If you want a picture of the future, imagine a QR code stamped on a human face — forever.
-
- Posts: 4551
- Joined: Tue Apr 03, 2007 11:04 pm
- Location: writer
Re: Zurich 12-15 February 2016
We could have a very interesting discussion on how to achieve the maximum number of high quality games.
It might be that this would be achieved playing blitz. Of course, many games would be rubbish, but some would be of high quality.
Then also you would have to define your terms. Some games have very few errors, but are boring draws.
You could rate all games played equally. Blitz, Rapidplay, Standard, 30 moves in 30 minutes and so on. The players wouldn't like that.
The London Chess Association had its own rating system. Adjudicated counted 1. Quickplay fiish 2. Long play (that would have been adjournments) 3. It worked well enough.
It might be that this would be achieved playing blitz. Of course, many games would be rubbish, but some would be of high quality.
Then also you would have to define your terms. Some games have very few errors, but are boring draws.
You could rate all games played equally. Blitz, Rapidplay, Standard, 30 moves in 30 minutes and so on. The players wouldn't like that.
The London Chess Association had its own rating system. Adjudicated counted 1. Quickplay fiish 2. Long play (that would have been adjournments) 3. It worked well enough.
-
- Posts: 1356
- Joined: Tue Sep 11, 2012 10:52 am
Re: Zurich 12-15 February 2016
Nakamura- Kramnik. Interesting ending, RPP v. NPPP (move 60 )
-
- Posts: 1356
- Joined: Tue Sep 11, 2012 10:52 am
Re: Zurich 12-15 February 2016
Drawn. Move 72.
-
- Posts: 10382
- Joined: Tue Apr 17, 2007 10:12 am
- Location: Bolton, Greater Manchester
Re: Zurich 12-15 February 2016
Any more views on the quality of the games?
Final round of rapidplay today:
Viswanathan Anand (3) - Vladimir Kramnik (2.5)
Levon Aronian (2) - Hikaru Nakamura (2.5)
Anish Giri (1) - Alexei Shirov (1)
Final round of rapidplay today:
Viswanathan Anand (3) - Vladimir Kramnik (2.5)
Levon Aronian (2) - Hikaru Nakamura (2.5)
Anish Giri (1) - Alexei Shirov (1)
Any postings on here represent my personal views
Re: Zurich 12-15 February 2016
They are rapid play games. So they have the quality of rapid play games.
I think that just about covers it?
I think that just about covers it?
-
- Posts: 5247
- Joined: Tue Mar 31, 2009 11:51 pm
- Location: Millom, Cumbria
Re: Zurich 12-15 February 2016
Indeed, so why are some people trying to push this as the "new classical"?
"Set up your attacks so that when the fire is out, it isn't out!" (H N Pillsbury)
-
- Posts: 7258
- Joined: Tue Dec 20, 2011 8:13 am
Re: Zurich 12-15 February 2016
Aronian made an oversight that wouldn't have happened at a slower time limit but nothing else happened in the three games I've glanced at today.Mick Norris wrote:Any more views on the quality of the games?
Final round of rapidplay today:
Viswanathan Anand (3) - Vladimir Kramnik (2.5)
Levon Aronian (2) - Hikaru Nakamura (2.5)
Anish Giri (1) - Alexei Shirov (1)
-
- Posts: 2153
- Joined: Thu May 15, 2008 1:37 am
Re: Zurich 12-15 February 2016
Alex Colovic isn't too keen on the format.
-
- Posts: 7258
- Joined: Tue Dec 20, 2011 8:13 am
Re: Zurich 12-15 February 2016
1= Nakamura, Hikaru 10½/15 2787
1= Anand, Viswanathan 10½/15 2784
3 Kramnik, Vladimir 9½/15 2801
4= Giri, Anish 5½/15 2798
4= Aronian, Levon 5½/15 2792
6 Shirov, Alexei 3½/15 2684
Nakamura escaping with a draw against Anand in the penultimate round allowed him to catch up with a last round win and force a tie which probably means some sort of play-off.
1= Anand, Viswanathan 10½/15 2784
3 Kramnik, Vladimir 9½/15 2801
4= Giri, Anish 5½/15 2798
4= Aronian, Levon 5½/15 2792
6 Shirov, Alexei 3½/15 2684
Nakamura escaping with a draw against Anand in the penultimate round allowed him to catch up with a last round win and force a tie which probably means some sort of play-off.
-
- Posts: 8472
- Joined: Sat Jan 02, 2010 1:28 pm
Re: Zurich 12-15 February 2016
Website talks about SB, aka random.
Why not just toss a coin, so much simpler?
Why not just toss a coin, so much simpler?
If you want a picture of the future, imagine a QR code stamped on a human face — forever.