2016 European Club Cup

[NickFaulks]

The Turkish team beating White Rose appears to consist of juniors, so playing several hundred points above their rating isn't a total surprise.

This is the routine excuse whenever English players get badly beaten, but it doesn't stand up. The Turkish 16 year olds have well established ratings based on many recent games, and they have gone up and down over the past year. There is no reason whatsoever to think that they are underrated.

[IM Jack Rudd]

How many of those recent games are against other juniors?

[Tim Harding]

Good to see Fiona leading her troops into battle, Joan of Arc style, rather than watching from the bench.

They only have six players there so no room for rotation.

What happened to Colovic? He's declared on board 6 but I see now he's not played yet.

[Richard Bates]

The Turkish team beating White Rose appears to consist of juniors, so playing several hundred points above their rating isn't a total surprise.

This is the routine excuse whenever English players get badly beaten, but it doesn't stand up. The Turkish 16 year olds have well established ratings based on many recent games, and they have gone up and down over the past year. There is no reason whatsoever to think that they are underrated.

You mean, apart from the fact that they've just demolished a team which averages over 400pts a board higher than them?

[LawrenceCooper]

The Turkish team beating White Rose appears to consist of juniors, so playing several hundred points above their rating isn't a total surprise.

This is the routine excuse whenever English players get badly beaten, but it doesn't stand up. The Turkish 16 year olds have well established ratings based on many recent games, and they have gone up and down over the past year. There is no reason whatsoever to think that they are underrated.

You mean, apart from the fact that they've just demolished a team which averages over 400pts a board higher than them?

Certainly a big upset, especially given their result against the Irish in round 2. Hopefully they can bounce back in the last four rounds.

[LawrenceCooper]

Good to see Fiona leading her troops into battle, Joan of Arc style, rather than watching from the bench.

They only have six players there so no room for rotation.

What happened to Colovic? He's declared on board 6 but I see now he's not played yet.

He was ill and so hasn't travelled. They are hoping he will arrive in time to play a few rounds.

[Mick Norris]

Bo. 17 Cheddleton Rtg FED - 16 AEM Luxten Timisoara Rtg FED

9.1 GM Howell, David W L 2655 ENG - GM Lupulescu, Constantin 2609 ROU
9.2 IM Hamitevici, Vladimir 2484 MDA - GM Parligras, Mircea-Emilian 2599 ROU
9.3 GM Williams, Simon K 2444 ENG - GM Nevednichy, Vladislav 2541 ROU
9.4 IM Eggleston, David J 2413 ENG - GM Berescu, Alin-Mile 2452 ROU
9.5 GM Fodor, Tamas Jr. 2493 HUN - IM Grunberg, Mihai-Lucian 2397 ROU
9.6 WIM Steil-Antoni, Fiona 2141 LUX - Toma, Radu-Cristian 2368 ROU

Should be an interesting match

[Mick Norris]

Bo. 60 Cardigan Rtg FED - 51 White Rose Rtg FED

30.1 FM Williams, A. Howard 2323 WLS - IM Adair, James R 2488 ENG
30.2 FM Jones, Iolo C 2172 WLS - FM Brown, Martin 2302 ENG
30.3 Heap, Gerry 2060 WLS - Townsend, M Paul 2231 ENG
30.4 AGM Van Kemenade, Rudy 1969 WLS - Barrett, Stephen J 2181 ENG
30.5 Haigh, Tony 1810 WLS - O'Driscoll, Kieran 2109 IRL
30.6 Van Kemenade, Julie 1703 WLS - WFM Sucikova, Svetlana 2076 SVK

What's an AGM in this context?

[NickFaulks]

You mean, apart from the fact that they've just demolished a team which averages over 400pts a board higher than them?

It's still only one game each. The winners may have gained 35 rating points, so you can say that the rating system has suggested that they were previously underrated by that amount. That seems quite generous to me.

[NickFaulks]

What's an AGM in this context?

Arena Grandmaster, based on online rating. I'm afraid you will have to get used to seeing that.

[LawrenceCooper]

Bo. 60 Cardigan Rtg FED - 51 White Rose Rtg FED

30.1 FM Williams, A. Howard 2323 WLS - IM Adair, James R 2488 ENG
30.2 FM Jones, Iolo C 2172 WLS - FM Brown, Martin 2302 ENG
30.3 Heap, Gerry 2060 WLS - Townsend, M Paul 2231 ENG
30.4 AGM Van Kemenade, Rudy 1969 WLS - Barrett, Stephen J 2181 ENG
30.5 Haigh, Tony 1810 WLS - O'Driscoll, Kieran 2109 IRL
30.6 Van Kemenade, Julie 1703 WLS - WFM Sucikova, Svetlana 2076 SVK

What's an AGM in this context?

One of the FIDE online titles. https://www.fide.com/component/content/ ... itles.html

[Mick Norris]

Bo. 60 Cardigan Rtg FED - 51 White Rose Rtg FED

30.1 FM Williams, A. Howard 2323 WLS - IM Adair, James R 2488 ENG
30.2 FM Jones, Iolo C 2172 WLS - FM Brown, Martin 2302 ENG
30.3 Heap, Gerry 2060 WLS - Townsend, M Paul 2231 ENG
30.4 AGM Van Kemenade, Rudy 1969 WLS - Barrett, Stephen J 2181 ENG
30.5 Haigh, Tony 1810 WLS - O'Driscoll, Kieran 2109 IRL
30.6 Van Kemenade, Julie 1703 WLS - WFM Sucikova, Svetlana 2076 SVK

What's an AGM in this context?

One of the FIDE online titles. https://www.fide.com/component/content/ ... itles.html

Ok another stupid idea, but there you go; that list has Rudy as AIM rather than AGM

[LawrenceCooper]

Bo. 60 Cardigan Rtg FED - 51 White Rose Rtg FED

30.1 FM Williams, A. Howard 2323 WLS - IM Adair, James R 2488 ENG
30.2 FM Jones, Iolo C 2172 WLS - FM Brown, Martin 2302 ENG
30.3 Heap, Gerry 2060 WLS - Townsend, M Paul 2231 ENG
30.4 AGM Van Kemenade, Rudy 1969 WLS - Barrett, Stephen J 2181 ENG
30.5 Haigh, Tony 1810 WLS - O'Driscoll, Kieran 2109 IRL
30.6 Van Kemenade, Julie 1703 WLS - WFM Sucikova, Svetlana 2076 SVK

What's an AGM in this context?

One of the FIDE online titles. https://www.fide.com/component/content/ ... itles.html

Ok another stupid idea, but there you go; that list has Rudy as AIM rather than AGM

Good point, the AGM must have come since then. Having seen Rudy play at least we now know of an AGM that moves quickly and finishes early

[Jonathan Rogers]

Simon Williams has started 1 d4 Nf6 2 g4 today.

Bizarrely I was once sent a booklet on this opening, back in the 1990s! (There's actually a whole string of bizarre opening interests/preferences that SK Williams and I have seemed independently to share; but whereas I give them up and stay at my same level anyway, he has taken some of them with him to GM level).

[Ian Thompson]

What's an AGM in this context?

Arena Grandmaster, based on online rating.

But not a particularly high rating. Whilst an OTB, or correspondence, GM needs to have a rating that most people would consider to be pretty high, for an AGM ttile you only need a rating that has been continuously over 2000 for a variable number of games, depending on what type of online chess you've been playing (50 games for rapidplay, 100 games for blitz and 150 games for bullet).