Bilbao Masters 13-23 July 2016

JustinHorton · Post by **JustinHorton** » Thu Jul 14, 2016 5:38 pm

No, it can't be right. I don't believe 26...Rf3.

[EDIT: Steil-Antoni is just saying the PGN is wrong in some way, they're not sure what.]

Tim Harding · Post by **Tim Harding** » Thu Jul 14, 2016 5:47 pm

JustinHorton wrote:Having just looked in, has Karjakin-Giri really happened as the score suggests? The computer assessments make my eyes pop out.

Jan Gustafsson is saying he thinks the organisers' PGN got messed up (presumably electronic board failure) so they just input a random sequence to reach the current position after 43 Rg6 which is presumably correct.

Actually while I was watching the position after 35...Bxh3 on chess24 there was suddenly a mad flurry of moves to update the game and the computer assessments were presumably generated accordingly. I looked on chessdom and they had the same sequence.

Meanwhile it looks as if Wei Yi blundered against Magnus on move 41.

Tim Harding · Post by **Tim Harding** » Thu Jul 14, 2016 6:19 pm

Now it seems they have fixed the Karjakin-Giri PGN. Black's 25th was Bd6 not Bxe4?? No mate was missed but there may have been mistakes on both sides. They are now in an ending with R,N+4 v 2Rs+3 with engines saying roughly equal.

MJMcCready · Post by **MJMcCready** » Sun Jul 17, 2016 7:59 am

It's interesting to watch his post game analysis. Hard to imagine that Karjakin's plans around Rc4 would pretty much cost him the game. Magnus doesn't need much opportunity to take someone down.

MJMcCready · Post by **MJMcCready** » Sun Jul 17, 2016 9:53 am

It seems like in every round someone has gone wrong in the middle game, its made me wonder how well they understand the openings they play, in Carlsen Naka, white seemed to gain no advantage, and didn't do that much in the middle game. At one point he had his knight on a4 and everything else on the first rank, except the kingside fianchettoed bishop. I'm no GM by any means but I've been playing long enough to know white should not have his pieces positioned as badly as that.

MJMcCready · Post by **MJMcCready** » Sun Jul 17, 2016 10:03 am

What happened to So yesterday? Couldn't understand his play at all, just let white walk all over him. What was Qf8, Qf7, Bf8 all about? I was expecting him to castle at some point.

Matt Mackenzie · Post by **Matt Mackenzie** » Sun Jul 17, 2016 8:37 pm

Looked for a while like another bit of history might be made today - but no, Carlsen still hasn't beaten Giri

MJMcCready · Post by **MJMcCready** » Tue Jul 19, 2016 9:38 am

Yes, that is rather odd.

JustinHorton · Post by **JustinHorton** » Tue Jul 19, 2016 5:47 pm

Wei has though, in a curious out-of-the-blue finish.

Matt Mackenzie · Post by **Matt Mackenzie** » Fri Jul 22, 2016 6:03 pm

Carlsen finally - FINALLY - about to beat Giri?

Roger de Coverly · Post by **Roger de Coverly** » Sat Jul 23, 2016 12:49 am

Matt Mackenzie wrote:Carlsen finally - FINALLY - about to beat Giri?

This is the whole game, Carlsen with White.

It could be one of those blind tests, if you just showed the first 10 moves or so, could you tell whether it was the World Champion versus a top ten player, or just a couple of 100 graded amateurs?

Matt Mackenzie · Post by **Matt Mackenzie** » Sat Jul 23, 2016 2:21 am

The finish after 45....Qxe5 is nice, people should try working it out in their heads.

David Sedgwick · Post by **David Sedgwick** » Sat Jul 23, 2016 9:54 am

Matt Mackenzie wrote:The finish after 45....Qxe5 is nice, people should try working it out in their heads.

It's very nice. I struggled with it, despite my new ECF 179 status.

JustinHorton · Post by **JustinHorton** » Sat Jul 23, 2016 9:55 am

I got there in the end, likewise taking longer than I should have.

Christopher Kreuzer · Post by **Christopher Kreuzer** » Sat Jul 23, 2016 6:54 pm

Matt Mackenzie wrote:The finish after 45....Qxe5 is nice, people should try working it out in their heads.

There are at least two ways to win.

The line given in the Chessbase article starting 46.Qf8+ wins (and is the stronger of the two lines), but you can also win trivially (ending up with queen for rook) by playing 46.Ng5+. I saw the latter line and stopped looking. Did those who tried this puzzle find one line or the other, or even both? I found it easier to calculate the 46.Ng5+ line, and doubt I would have found the 46.Qf8+ lines as the lines there are (for me) harder to visualise (more spread out over the board). Both lines include mid-board mates that are optically difficult to visualise, and both end with knight forks winning the queen.

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