They thought it was all over....it is now. Game 5 ends in a draw to win Nigel the match.Matt Mackenzie wrote:Short wins the last game with Black for a 3-1 triumph overall.
A genuinely impressive achievement, it does seem to confirm Hou has hit a bit of a "wall" recently however.
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Re: Hoogeveen 15-22 October 2016
Do they play game 6?LawrenceCooper wrote: Game 5 ends in a draw to win Nigel the match.
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Re: Hoogeveen 15-22 October 2016
Game 6 is under way. Nigel is Black in a Spanish/ Ruy Lopez.
https://chess24.com/en/watch/live-tourn ... 2016/1/1/6
https://chess24.com/en/watch/live-tourn ... 2016/1/1/6
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Re: Hoogeveen 15-22 October 2016
Using the Chigorin treatment with .. Na5, .. c5 and .. Qc7 as well. None of this Breyer, Smyslov or Zaitsev stuff. Not even threatening the Marshall.Tim Harding wrote: Nigel is Black in a Spanish/ Ruy Lopez.
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Re: Hoogeveen 15-22 October 2016
Consolation win for Hou Yifan to wrap it up. Well done both players.
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Re: Hoogeveen 15-22 October 2016
Interesting footnote to this was that Nigel I believe was trying to ensure that once he had won the match the last game would not be rated. Personally I was completely unaware of regulation 6.5 which states "Where a match is over a specific number of games, those played after one player has won shall not be rated.". Guess most of us have never played a FIDE rated match so would be unaware of such a rule and you wonder how many arbiters and organisers are.Tim Harding wrote:Consolation win for Hou Yifan to wrap it up. Well done both players.
https://www.fide.com/fide/handbook.html ... ew=article
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I was!Chris Rice wrote:Guess most of us have never played a FIDE rated match so would be unaware of such a rule and you wonder how many arbiters and organisers are.
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Re: Hoogeveen 15-22 October 2016
Nigel talking briefly about the match and endearing himself to the organiser by talking about the last game not being rated: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yM9VgDzDgeE
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Chris Rice wrote:Guess most of us have never played a FIDE rated match so would be unaware of such a rule and you wonder how many arbiters and organisers are.
Alex McFarlane wrote:I was!
An arbiter for such a match should be aware of the rule and in general would be, I think.
You can apply to FIDE for a derogation, provided that you do so beforehand and make it clear to the players.
The Regulations for the 2015 British Knockout Championship, and for the forthcoming 2016 Championship, both state:
"All six games of the Final are to be played, even if the outcome is already decided. Permission from FIDE for any dead games to be FIDE rated will be sought."
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Re: Hoogeveen 15-22 October 2016
FIDE have rated matches inappropriately for many years now, as among other reasons the winner normally gains too many points and the loser loses too many. Even within the limitations of rating systems, a better way is to calculate the expected and actual percentage score and treat it as a single game result.
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Re: Hoogeveen 15-22 October 2016
Isn't that what happens?E Michael White wrote: Even within the limitations of rating systems, a better way is to calculate the expected and actual percentage score and treat it as a single game result.
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Re: Hoogeveen 15-22 October 2016
These six game matches alongside a regular Swiss are becoming something of a standard pattern and outside of the World Championship, the only matches of six games or more. I wonder when FIDE put in the rule about not rating the final game(s). When Kasparov played his series of matches against Miles and others in the run up to his title challenge, were these matches rated in their entirety?David Sedgwick wrote: The Regulations for the 2015 British Knockout Championship, and for the forthcoming 2016 Championship, both state:
"All six games of the Final are to be played, even if the outcome is already decided. Permission from FIDE for any dead games to be FIDE rated will be sought."
Nigel would presumably have seen the 2015 British Knockout regulations even though he withdrew for health reasons.
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Re: Hoogeveen 15-22 October 2016
Reverting to Hoogeven, it looks to me as though all six games have been submitted for FIDE rating.
https://ratings.fide.com/view_source.phtml?code=136623
Hmmm ...
https://ratings.fide.com/view_source.phtml?code=136623
Hmmm ...
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Re: Hoogeveen 15-22 October 2016
And what would that suggest to you, David?David Sedgwick wrote:Reverting to Hoogeven, it looks to me as though all six games have been submitted for FIDE rating.
https://ratings.fide.com/view_source.phtml?code=136623
Hmmm ...