London Classic Grand Tour
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Guys, Geoff Chandler will be along to admonish us - me for no diag. and you(s) for not even giving the drawing move's name, rank and serial no. I give up.
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Here's the whole game
and the position showing the drawing resource.
Earlier the chessbomb stockfish doesn't think giving up the pawn by 45. .. Qe4 is the best move, but seeking active play is a plausible idea and not a blunder.
and the position showing the drawing resource.
Earlier the chessbomb stockfish doesn't think giving up the pawn by 45. .. Qe4 is the best move, but seeking active play is a plausible idea and not a blunder.
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It doesn't seem obvious to me that 61. e7+ Ke8 62. Ke6 <knight move> 63. Kd6 is drawn (though Stockfish tells me it is).
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Nice try, Angus -
And, thanks to Roger for appearing the save -Angus French wrote:It doesn't seem obvious to me that 61. e7+ Ke8 62. Ke6 <knight move> 63. Kd6 is drawn (though Stockfish tells me it is).
Roger de Coverly wrote:Here's the whole game
and the position showing the drawing resource.
Earlier the chessbomb stockfish doesn't think giving up the pawn by 45. .. Qe4 is the best move, but seeking active play is a plausible idea and not a blunder.
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Rest day today.
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Well I didn't pay much attention to that game, it just looked pretty equal all the way and there were exciting things going on elsewhere. So when I see Seirawan talking about outstanding, superstar moves I start wondering what I was missing!Christopher Kreuzer wrote:That's a bit cryptic, Justin. What are you referring to?JustinHorton wrote:Was there more going on in Nakamura-Kramnik than I thought?
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Good point. Who has the better of the draw there? Is White pressing for the win, or does it suddenly fall apart and White has to take a draw? There was one line earlier, where Black suddenly starts winning. One tempo can make all the difference.Angus French wrote:It doesn't seem obvious to me that 61. e7+ Ke8 62. Ke6 <knight move> 63. Kd6 is drawn (though Stockfish tells me it is).
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I had a quick look at that and thought that Nf7-h6-f5xd4 was in time to draw but I'm saying that without the position in front of meChristopher Kreuzer wrote:Good point. Who has the better of the draw there? Is White pressing for the win, or does it suddenly fall apart and White has to take a draw? There was one line earlier, where Black suddenly starts winning. One tempo can make all the difference.Angus French wrote:It doesn't seem obvious to me that 61. e7+ Ke8 62. Ke6 <knight move> 63. Kd6 is drawn (though Stockfish tells me it is).
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I think White plays f5 and f7 and mates (or wins the knight). The Black knight probably needs to go to g5 with check after Ke6, and then to f7 or f3, but White does seem to win all the Black pawns and have chances to try and queen the White c- and d-pawns. Question is, why didn't Nakamura at least try this. Is it so obviously a draw to him and Kramnik?LawrenceCooper wrote:I had a quick look at that and thought that Nf7-h6-f5xd4 was in time to draw but I'm saying that without the position in front of meChristopher Kreuzer wrote:Good point. Who has the better of the draw there? Is White pressing for the win, or does it suddenly fall apart and White has to take a draw? There was one line earlier, where Black suddenly starts winning. One tempo can make all the difference.Angus French wrote:It doesn't seem obvious to me that 61. e7+ Ke8 62. Ke6 <knight move> 63. Kd6 is drawn (though Stockfish tells me it is).
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YesChristopher Kreuzer wrote: Question is, why didn't Nakamura at least try this. Is it so obviously a draw to him and Kramnik?
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The video on chess24 (which I was watching live) shows clearly that only after 57...Nd8 Nakamura suddenly saw the stalemate resource which Kramnik must have spotted several moves earlier. Nakamura is not able to do oriental inscrutability and his expressions were a marvel to behold.
Eventually he must have realised there was no way to safely avoid it, though he spent a good bit of time on both moves 58 and 59. The two had a lengthy and friendly post-mortem afterwards.
Eventually he must have realised there was no way to safely avoid it, though he spent a good bit of time on both moves 58 and 59. The two had a lengthy and friendly post-mortem afterwards.
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Kramnik said he saw the whole variation into the Knight vs pawns ending (but not as far as the stalemate) when playing 45...Qe4. It's not totally clear when he spotted the stalemate try.Tim Harding wrote:The video on chess24 (which I was watching live) shows clearly that only after 57...Nd8 Nakamura suddenly saw the stalemate resource which Kramnik must have spotted several moves earlier. Nakamura is not able to do oriental inscrutability and his expressions were a marvel to behold.
On Nakamura's expressions, you may have seen it already, but someone's made a short compilation of them and put them to music:
https://twitter.com/AntonSquaredMe/stat ... 1317724162
Edit: corrected N to Q...
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"On Nakamura's expressions, you may have seen it already, but someone's made a short compilation of them and put them to music:
https://twitter.com/AntonSquaredMe/stat ... 1317724162"
That's great. At Gibraltar about ten years ago, Tony Ashby and I played Nakamura and partner in the pairs event (you move alternately, except for the pair who cheated against us in the last round). I attacked Nakamura's queen in the opening and his partner failed to extricate it. The look on Hikaru's face was quite spectacular, although he very politely resigned and congratulated us. He stomped off with shame-faced partner, but returned soon after (beer in hand - probably the fine) and seemed quite relaxed.
https://twitter.com/AntonSquaredMe/stat ... 1317724162"
That's great. At Gibraltar about ten years ago, Tony Ashby and I played Nakamura and partner in the pairs event (you move alternately, except for the pair who cheated against us in the last round). I attacked Nakamura's queen in the opening and his partner failed to extricate it. The look on Hikaru's face was quite spectacular, although he very politely resigned and congratulated us. He stomped off with shame-faced partner, but returned soon after (beer in hand - probably the fine) and seemed quite relaxed.
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He might struggle to maintain that run today.Matt Mackenzie wrote:Giri has now drawn 5 out of 5. Surely not.......?
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Giri is in danger of winning !