Sharjah Masters 2017

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Re: Sharjah Masters 2017

Post by Roger de Coverly » Sat Mar 25, 2017 9:06 pm

Mick Norris wrote: 7 11 GM Akopian Vladimir ARM 2675 2½ 3 Al Yaghshi M. Hisham SYR 2056 16
Some big rating differences there, but that's quite typical for the round after acceleration finishes. Presumably they are using FIDE's "Baku" system.

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Re: Sharjah Masters 2017

Post by Alex McFarlane » Sat Mar 25, 2017 9:40 pm

Roger de Coverly wrote:Presumably they are using FIDE's "Baku" system
I don't think so. It looks like rounds 1-3 had two separate tournaments with top half in one and bottom half in the other with everyone coming together in round 4.

Baku system adds 1 pt to top half for rounds 1-3 and half point to them in rounds 4 and 5 (alternative 1 pt in rounds 1 and 2 and 0.5 in rd 3 as at Hastings 2016-17). Players are then paired on their supposed points. There were only a couple of games in rds 2 and 3 with people on different (real) scores.

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Re: Sharjah Masters 2017

Post by Ian Thompson » Sat Mar 25, 2017 10:46 pm

Alex McFarlane wrote:
Roger de Coverly wrote:Presumably they are using FIDE's "Baku" system
I don't think so. It looks like rounds 1-3 had two separate tournaments with top half in one and bottom half in the other with everyone coming together in round 4.
Is that a known pairing system, or something made up for the first time by this tournament's organisers?

Proponents of accelerated pairing systems claim it improves the chances of lower rated players achieving norms compared to normal swiss pairings. This pairing system might be as good (or bad) as normal accelerated pairings for anyone in the top half of the draw, but not very good for anyone in the bottom half of the draw.

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Re: Sharjah Masters 2017

Post by Chris Rice » Sun Mar 26, 2017 8:00 am

Gawain's round 3 game analysed by himself and Danny King. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2inQwaLdcc

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Re: Sharjah Masters 2017

Post by Barry Sandercock » Sun Mar 26, 2017 10:32 am

Very interesting analysis by Gawain Jones, he sees SO much !

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Re: Sharjah Masters 2017

Post by Tim Harding » Sun Mar 26, 2017 11:07 am

Alex McFarlane wrote:
Roger de Coverly wrote:Presumably they are using FIDE's "Baku" system
I don't think so. It looks like rounds 1-3 had two separate tournaments with top half in one and bottom half in the other with everyone coming together in round 4.
This explains why I guessed Gawain's round 4 pairing wrong. When I was trying to work it out, chess24 was showing only a few top players on 3/3 but that's because the scores of players not on live boards had not yet been updated.

Also Praggnanandhaa would not have got those top GMs on a normal pairing system. Today he is not on a live board and has an opponent rated 1972.
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Re: Sharjah Masters 2017

Post by Leonard Barden » Sun Mar 26, 2017 4:22 pm

Gawain's opponent, 2183-rated Mittal Aditya, has put up stiff resistance though he is now probably losing.

Aditya is 11 years old and only the No4 U12 in India. By contrast England's top rated U12 Jacob Yoon is just Fide 1875, an indicator of how far English juniors have dropped behind the world's best in recent years.

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Re: Sharjah Masters 2017

Post by John Moore » Sun Mar 26, 2017 5:11 pm

Leonard - I didn't realise that Gawain's opponent was 11. That is quite amazing. It is not immediately clear to me sans engine that Gawain is winning although maybe 49 ... h3 is the idea.

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Re: Sharjah Masters 2017

Post by NickFaulks » Sun Mar 26, 2017 5:12 pm

Alex McFarlane wrote: I don't think so. It looks like rounds 1-3 had two separate tournaments with top half in one and bottom half in the other with everyone coming together in round 4.
Are we all agreed that this pairing system stinks?
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Re: Sharjah Masters 2017

Post by NickFaulks » Sun Mar 26, 2017 5:25 pm

Having said that, Seshadri Sriva, an Indian WFM of whom I confess I knew nothing, has drawn with the black pieces against a 2643 rated opponent. Presumably she knows how to play.
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Leonard Barden
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Re: Sharjah Masters 2017

Post by Leonard Barden » Sun Mar 26, 2017 5:47 pm

Ah, kiddie's finally blundered.

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Re: Sharjah Masters 2017

Post by John Moore » Sun Mar 26, 2017 5:59 pm

Great fight against Gawain who must have missed the Be4 idea - but one thing that the Indian juniors share with ours is the inability to resign when it's time.

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Re: Sharjah Masters 2017

Post by LawrenceCooper » Sun Mar 26, 2017 6:03 pm

John Moore wrote:Great fight against Gawain who must have missed the Be4 idea - but one thing that the Indian juniors share with ours is the inability to resign when it's time.
Judging from the clock times Gawain was probably still in theory albeit Be7 appears new instead of Bb4 or Bc5.

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Re: Sharjah Masters 2017

Post by John Moore » Sun Mar 26, 2017 6:05 pm

Thanks Loz - blimey theory. Well what do I know.

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Re: Sharjah Masters 2017

Post by IM Jack Rudd » Sun Mar 26, 2017 6:08 pm

NickFaulks wrote:
Alex McFarlane wrote: I don't think so. It looks like rounds 1-3 had two separate tournaments with top half in one and bottom half in the other with everyone coming together in round 4.
Are we all agreed that this pairing system stinks?
It doesn't look great, but it's good that someone tried it out so we could establish in practice that it stinks.