Grand Chess Tour events: Paris GCT and Leuven, Belgium
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Re: Grand Chess Tour events: Paris GCT and Leuven, Belgium
Blitz Round 7:
1 GM Aronian, L. (12½) 2780 — GM So, Wesley (18) 2789
2 GM Vachier-Lagr. (14½) 2783 — GM Jobava, B. (1) 2703
3 GM Giri, Anish (13) 2764 — GM Carlsen, M. (16½) 2851
4 GM Ivanchuk, V. (8) 2757 — GM Kramnik, V. (13½) 2789
5 GM Nepomniachtc. (12) 2766 — GM Anand, V. (11) 2775
1 GM Aronian, L. (12½) 2780 — GM So, Wesley (18) 2789
2 GM Vachier-Lagr. (14½) 2783 — GM Jobava, B. (1) 2703
3 GM Giri, Anish (13) 2764 — GM Carlsen, M. (16½) 2851
4 GM Ivanchuk, V. (8) 2757 — GM Kramnik, V. (13½) 2789
5 GM Nepomniachtc. (12) 2766 — GM Anand, V. (11) 2775
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Re: Grand Chess Tour events: Paris GCT and Leuven, Belgium
1 GM Aronian, L. (12½) 2780 ½ - ½ GM So, Wesley (18) 2789
2 GM Vachier-Lagr. (14½) 2783 1 - 0 GM Jobava, B. (1) 2703
3 GM Giri, Anish (13) 2764 1 - 0 GM Carlsen, M. (16½) 2851
4 GM Ivanchuk, V. (8) 2757 ½ - ½ GM Kramnik, V. (13½) 2789
5 GM Nepomniachtc. (12) 2766 ½ - ½ GM Anand, V. (11) 2775
2 GM Vachier-Lagr. (14½) 2783 1 - 0 GM Jobava, B. (1) 2703
3 GM Giri, Anish (13) 2764 1 - 0 GM Carlsen, M. (16½) 2851
4 GM Ivanchuk, V. (8) 2757 ½ - ½ GM Kramnik, V. (13½) 2789
5 GM Nepomniachtc. (12) 2766 ½ - ½ GM Anand, V. (11) 2775
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Re: Grand Chess Tour events: Paris GCT and Leuven, Belgium
Carlsen's game with Giri is a bit of a car crash, while someone should really take away Jobava 's licence:
Blitz Rd 8:
1 GM Jobava, B. (1) 2703 — GM Carlsen, M. (16½) 2851
2 GM So, Wesley (18½) 2789 — GM Giri, Anish (14) 2764. (11½)
3 GM Anand, V. (11½) 2775 — GM Aronian, L. (13) 2780 2775
4 GM Kramnik, V. (14) 2789 — GM Nepomniachtc. (12½) 2766
5 GM Vachier-Lagr. (15½) 2783 — GM Ivanchuk, V. (8½) 2757
Blitz Rd 8:
1 GM Jobava, B. (1) 2703 — GM Carlsen, M. (16½) 2851
2 GM So, Wesley (18½) 2789 — GM Giri, Anish (14) 2764. (11½)
3 GM Anand, V. (11½) 2775 — GM Aronian, L. (13) 2780 2775
4 GM Kramnik, V. (14) 2789 — GM Nepomniachtc. (12½) 2766
5 GM Vachier-Lagr. (15½) 2783 — GM Ivanchuk, V. (8½) 2757
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Re: Grand Chess Tour events: Paris GCT and Leuven, Belgium
1 GM So, Wesley (18½) 2789 0 - 1 GM Giri, Anish (14) 2764
2 GM Jobava, B. (1) 2703 0 - 1 GM Carlsen, M. (16½) 2851
3 GM Vachier-Lagr. (15½) 2783 1 - 0 GM Ivanchuk, V. (8½) 2757
4 GM Anand, V. (11½) 2775 1 - 0 GM Aronian, L. (13) 2780
5 GM Kramnik, V. (14) 2789 ½ - ½ GM Nepomniachtc. (12½) 2766
2 GM Jobava, B. (1) 2703 0 - 1 GM Carlsen, M. (16½) 2851
3 GM Vachier-Lagr. (15½) 2783 1 - 0 GM Ivanchuk, V. (8½) 2757
4 GM Anand, V. (11½) 2775 1 - 0 GM Aronian, L. (13) 2780
5 GM Kramnik, V. (14) 2789 ½ - ½ GM Nepomniachtc. (12½) 2766
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Re: Grand Chess Tour events: Paris GCT and Leuven, Belgium
Rd 9 - final one of the day and it features the mighty clash Carlsen - So. Glad its the final round because if Seirawan says "My spidey sense is tingling" one more time....
1 GM Ivanchuk, V. (8½) 2757 — GM Jobava, B. (1) 2703
2 GM Nepomniachtc. (13) 2766 — GM Vachier-Lagr. (16½) 2783
3 GM Aronian, L. (13) 2780 — GM Kramnik, V. (14½) 2789
4 GM Giri, Anish (15) 2764 — GM Anand, V. (12½) 2775
5 GM Carlsen, M. (17½) 2851 — GM So, Wesley (18½) 2789
1 GM Ivanchuk, V. (8½) 2757 — GM Jobava, B. (1) 2703
2 GM Nepomniachtc. (13) 2766 — GM Vachier-Lagr. (16½) 2783
3 GM Aronian, L. (13) 2780 — GM Kramnik, V. (14½) 2789
4 GM Giri, Anish (15) 2764 — GM Anand, V. (12½) 2775
5 GM Carlsen, M. (17½) 2851 — GM So, Wesley (18½) 2789
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Re: Grand Chess Tour events: Paris GCT and Leuven, Belgium
1 GM Aronian, L. (13) 2780 ½ - ½ GM Kramnik, V. (14½) 2789
2 GM Nepomniachtc. (13) 2766 1 - 0 GM Vachier-Lagr. (16½) 2783
3 GM Carlsen, M. (17½) 2851 1 - 0 GM So, Wesley (18½) 2789
4 GM Ivanchuk, V. (8½) 2757 ½ - ½ GM Jobava, B. (1) 2703
5 GM Giri, Anish (15) 2764 ½ - ½ GM Anand, V. (12½) 2775
2 GM Nepomniachtc. (13) 2766 1 - 0 GM Vachier-Lagr. (16½) 2783
3 GM Carlsen, M. (17½) 2851 1 - 0 GM So, Wesley (18½) 2789
4 GM Ivanchuk, V. (8½) 2757 ½ - ½ GM Jobava, B. (1) 2703
5 GM Giri, Anish (15) 2764 ½ - ½ GM Anand, V. (12½) 2775
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Re: Grand Chess Tour events: Paris GCT and Leuven, Belgium
Wesley So disappeared off the stage very quickly at the end, though not as quickly as Kramnik's advantage disappeared after his very surprising 66th move.
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Re: Grand Chess Tour events: Paris GCT and Leuven, Belgium
Class play from Carlsen and its all level with So going into the final day with MVL a couple of points behind and OMG!!! Jobava got a draw:
Round 10 pairings
1 GM Jobava, B. (1½) 2703 — GM So, Wesley (18½) 2789
2 GM Carlsen, M. (18½) 2851 — GM Anand, V. (13) 2775
3 GM Giri, Anish (15½) 2764 — GM Kramnik, V. (15) 2789
4 GM Aronian, L. (13½) 2780 — GM Vachier-Lagr. (16½) 2783
5 GM Nepomniachtc. (14) 2766 — GM Ivanchuk, V. (9) 2757
Round 10 pairings
1 GM Jobava, B. (1½) 2703 — GM So, Wesley (18½) 2789
2 GM Carlsen, M. (18½) 2851 — GM Anand, V. (13) 2775
3 GM Giri, Anish (15½) 2764 — GM Kramnik, V. (15) 2789
4 GM Aronian, L. (13½) 2780 — GM Vachier-Lagr. (16½) 2783
5 GM Nepomniachtc. (14) 2766 — GM Ivanchuk, V. (9) 2757
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Re: Grand Chess Tour events: Paris GCT and Leuven, Belgium
1= Carlsen, Magnus & So, Wesley 18½/27
3 Vachier-Lagrave, Maxime 16½/27
4 Giri, Anish 15½/27
5 Kramnik, Vladimir 15/27
6 Nepomniachtchi, Ian 14/27
7 Aronian, Levon 13½/27
8 Anand, Viswanathan 13/27
9 Ivanchuk, Vassily 9/27
10 Jobava, Baadur 1½/27
3 Vachier-Lagrave, Maxime 16½/27
4 Giri, Anish 15½/27
5 Kramnik, Vladimir 15/27
6 Nepomniachtchi, Ian 14/27
7 Aronian, Levon 13½/27
8 Anand, Viswanathan 13/27
9 Ivanchuk, Vassily 9/27
10 Jobava, Baadur 1½/27
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Re: Grand Chess Tour events: Paris GCT and Leuven, Belgium
The DGT 3000s are set for what Alex has described as Bronstein delay.David Sedgwick wrote:Greetings from Leuven. I arrived today.
Chris Rice wrote:In the last round I watched Kramnik struggling to make a move with 1 second left. He made it and the clock went to 11 secondsIf he started with 10 seconds and moved after 9, then no, it shouldn't. However, if he started with 11 seconds and moved after 10, then it is correct.Nick Faulks wrote:That isn't supposed to happen?
It should default back to 11 seconds.Chris Rice wrote:What I was getting at is if Kramnik had not resigned and played another move with say 5 seconds to go would the clock have gone to 15 seconds or defaulted back to 11 seconds?
I''ll try to check this out tomorrow.Alex McFarlane wrote: It may depend on the model,
There is (American) delay and there is Bronstein (delay).
In the former there is a countdown of the extra time and then the clock resumes from the original time. In the latter the 'bonus' is added on up to the previous time and then that time counts down.
The DGT America does the former as can the 3000 (which I think can be set to do both). Other DGTs do the latter.
To begin with, the clock shows 5.03. If White (say) moves after 2 seconds, the clock goes back from 5.01 to 5.03. If White moves after 4 seconds, the clock goes back from 4.59 to 5.02.
The earlier posts which I quoted above were of course referring to the Rapid games rather than the Blitz games.
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I think that it was a combination of what you have said in your last sentence together with a desire, particularly in relation to the Classical games, to avoid frequent repetitions designed purely to gain time on the increment (in that mode).Chris Rice wrote:Article from FIDE International Arbiter Chris Bird on time controls. There are a couple of paragraphs explaining the difference between Time Delay and the Bronstein Method. As David is intending to come back to us on this I would be curious to know the reasoning the Bronstein method was brought in for Leuven. Is it simply to try something new? I can see the benefit over the Bonus methods is that the game is likely to be shorter given the lack of accumulation.
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Thanks David, I hadn't considered the frequent repetitions argument. That seems a reasonable one. I'm wondering, given the lack of accumulation, whether it might be an idea to extend the Delay past 3 seconds in the blitz. The frequent repetition argument wouldn't be affected. It's just that seeing the world's best players floundering about trying to make moves in a split second isn't really doing it for me. The worst example I saw was Anand, four pawns up against Kramnik in an easily winning position, just making moves and losing pawn after pawn. Finally, he is about to queen his e-pawn and realises that Kramnik has a knight fork so Anand in a blind panic promotes to a knight and I'm pretty sure illegally uses two hands to do it. The video on the Chess24 (scroll down to the bottom) shows those last few moves if anyone wants to view it. It looked to me that the two players thought the whole thing was a farce, agreed to a draw and laughed it off. I mean its Blitz so one can't extend the Delay by too much but say to 5 seconds might reduce the incidences of illegal moves, pieces and clocks flying all over the place and the players could demonstrate a modicum of technique.David Sedgwick wrote:I think that it was a combination of what you have said in your last sentence together with a desire, particularly in relation to the Classical games, to avoid frequent repetitions designed purely to gain time on the increment (in that mode).Chris Rice wrote:Article from FIDE International Arbiter Chris Bird on time controls. There are a couple of paragraphs explaining the difference between Time Delay and the Bronstein Method. As David is intending to come back to us on this I would be curious to know the reasoning the Bronstein method was brought in for Leuven. Is it simply to try something new? I can see the benefit over the Bonus methods is that the game is likely to be shorter given the lack of accumulation.
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Re: Grand Chess Tour events: Paris GCT and Leuven, Belgium
Do we watch online chess in order to:
a) learn something from high quality play by top GMs who have sufficient time to think,
or
b) enjoy the excitement of a blitz finish with crazy happenings and stupid mistakes that we might make in a classical game?
In my case, a.)
Delay, which most of the Leuven participants are clearly unused to, has just made the blitz even more farcical than usual. Having a longer delay is unlikely to make a difference. GCT should scrap it and go back to increment next year.
a) learn something from high quality play by top GMs who have sufficient time to think,
or
b) enjoy the excitement of a blitz finish with crazy happenings and stupid mistakes that we might make in a classical game?
In my case, a.)
Delay, which most of the Leuven participants are clearly unused to, has just made the blitz even more farcical than usual. Having a longer delay is unlikely to make a difference. GCT should scrap it and go back to increment next year.
Tim Harding
Historian and FIDE Arbiter
Author of 'Steinitz in London,' British Chess Literature to 1914', 'Joseph Henry Blackburne: A Chess Biography', and 'Eminent Victorian Chess Players'
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Historian and FIDE Arbiter
Author of 'Steinitz in London,' British Chess Literature to 1914', 'Joseph Henry Blackburne: A Chess Biography', and 'Eminent Victorian Chess Players'
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Re: Grand Chess Tour events: Paris GCT and Leuven, Belgium
1 GM Giri, Anish (15½) 2764 ½ - ½ GM Kramnik, V. (15) 2789
2 GM Carlsen, M. (18½) 2851 ½ - ½ GM Anand, V. (13) 2775
3 GM Aronian, L. (13½) 2780 0 - 1 GM Vachier-Lagr. (16½) 2783
4 GM Jobava, B. (1½) 2703 0 - 1 GM So, Wesley (18½) 2789
5 GM Nepomniachtc. (14) 2766 0 - 1 GM Ivanchuk, V. (9) 2757
2 GM Carlsen, M. (18½) 2851 ½ - ½ GM Anand, V. (13) 2775
3 GM Aronian, L. (13½) 2780 0 - 1 GM Vachier-Lagr. (16½) 2783
4 GM Jobava, B. (1½) 2703 0 - 1 GM So, Wesley (18½) 2789
5 GM Nepomniachtc. (14) 2766 0 - 1 GM Ivanchuk, V. (9) 2757
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Re: Grand Chess Tour events: Paris GCT and Leuven, Belgium
Agree with Tim that probably best to scrap the delay method. So wins in Rd 10 to retake lead:
Rd 11 pairings:
1 GM Nepomniachtc. (14) 2766 - GM Jobava, B. (1½) 2703
2 GM Ivanchuk, V. (10) 2757 — GM Aronian, L. (13½) 2780
3 GM Vachier-Lagr. (17½) 2783 — GM Giri, Anish (16) 2764
4 GM Kramnik, V. (15½) 2789 — GM Carlsen, M. (19) 2851
5 GM Anand, V. (13½) 2775 — GM So, Wesley (19½) 2789
Rd 11 pairings:
1 GM Nepomniachtc. (14) 2766 - GM Jobava, B. (1½) 2703
2 GM Ivanchuk, V. (10) 2757 — GM Aronian, L. (13½) 2780
3 GM Vachier-Lagr. (17½) 2783 — GM Giri, Anish (16) 2764
4 GM Kramnik, V. (15½) 2789 — GM Carlsen, M. (19) 2851
5 GM Anand, V. (13½) 2775 — GM So, Wesley (19½) 2789