An introduction...
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Alex Holowczak
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The UK Chess Challenge awards £1,000 to the best girl, with £2,000 to the overall winner. I believe that, when Sabrina Chevannes won it one year, the £1,000 for the best girl became £1,000 for the best boy. The UKCC basically gives byes to older girls who know how the pieces move until you get to the Gigafinal...
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David Shepherd
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I sort of agree but disagree - I have in the past played in mixed badminton leagues, mixed tennis leagues and mens badminton and mens tennis leagues. The mixed leagues required both men and women - it was not a "women" rule nor indeed a "men" rule - just a rule that the pairs had to be mixed. Some of the leagues were mixed but the matches included both mens and womens doubles and singles. Both sports are clearly mixed, particularly at club level and do not have significant issues over men only competitions, women only competitions and mixed competitions. (Although I guess slightly different as in most leagues the women do not compete directly against the men - although I have played in both tennis and badminton singles leagues which were mixed).
Maybe because they are the main sports that I have played in the concept of having a mixed team rule is something I am willing to readily accept.
Maybe because they are the main sports that I have played in the concept of having a mixed team rule is something I am willing to readily accept.
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Louise Sinclair
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David
Physical sporting events are different in view of mens superior physical strength. How much effort does it take to pick up a chess piece?
Louise
Physical sporting events are different in view of mens superior physical strength. How much effort does it take to pick up a chess piece?
Louise
You might very well think that ; I couldn't possibly comment.
' you turn if you want. The lady's not for turning'
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Ben Purton
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"The UK Chess Challenge awards £1,000 to the best girl, with £2,000 to the overall winner. I believe that, when Sabrina Chevannes won it one year, the £1,000 for the best girl became £1,000 for the best boy. The UKCC basically gives byes to older girls who know how the pieces move until you get to the Gigafinal..."
Sabrina has never won the overall UKCC, she was top girl the year i won, she got £500 then, I got £1000, the next year both prizes doubled.
Its not like we need more tits in chess, weve got gareth for a start .....
Sabrina has never won the overall UKCC, she was top girl the year i won, she got £500 then, I got £1000, the next year both prizes doubled.
Its not like we need more tits in chess, weve got gareth for a start .....
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Ben Purton
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I think for people who think its a women rule, they should look at Wood greens history of results for interest.
Ben
Ben
I love sleep, I need 8 hours a day and about 10 at night - Bill Hicks
I would die happy if I beat Wood Green in the Eastman Cup final - Richmond LL captain.
Hating the Yankees since 2002. Hating the Jets since 2001.
I would die happy if I beat Wood Green in the Eastman Cup final - Richmond LL captain.
Hating the Yankees since 2002. Hating the Jets since 2001.
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Gareth Harley-Yeo
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But..but.. I thought you loved my man boobs?Ben Purton wrote:"The UK Chess Challenge awards £1,000 to the best girl, with £2,000 to the overall winner. I believe that, when Sabrina Chevannes won it one year, the £1,000 for the best girl became £1,000 for the best boy. The UKCC basically gives byes to older girls who know how the pieces move until you get to the Gigafinal..."
Sabrina has never won the overall UKCC, she was top girl the year i won, she got £500 then, I got £1000, the next year both prizes doubled.
Its not like we need more tits in chess, weve got gareth for a start .....
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Alex Holowczak
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Oh, in that case, consider me misinformed. Would help if the official website had a list of all the past winners...Ben Purton wrote: Sabrina has never won the overall UKCC, she was top girl the year i won, she got £500 then, I got £1000, the next year both prizes doubled.
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Sean Hewitt
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Cheers Gareth - The cheque's in the post!Gareth Harley-Yeo wrote:Sean Hewitt’s e2e4 congresses are a fine example of how a good tournament is run. They should be the benchmark for other tournament organisers.
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Louise Sinclair
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Our North Circular annual blitz is very popular.Our entries increase every year and the prize fund is excellent. Next one scheduled for July.
Louise
Louise
You might very well think that ; I couldn't possibly comment.
' you turn if you want. The lady's not for turning'
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Maria Yurenok
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What an amusing discussion!
I guess one of the big reasons why girls don't stick with chess is because of socialising. Girls require a lot more social interaction by their nature and their discussion topics are quite different to those of boys. So unless a girl is a bit of a tomboy from an early age - she'd find herself a bit out of place among boys in chess because to socialise she'd have to get quite good at talking about and even participating in things she's not particularly interested about (like football). Not many girls would stick with their interest if the overall environment is off-putting, especially if they are not from a chess-playing family.
Similar pattern continues into the adulthood. A woman is lucky if she joins a club that has other women. This severely limits the enjoyment from social interaction because she'd find herself mostly involved in typical men's conversations like about football, rugby and women. Apart from that she'd notice some rather weird/scruffy characters in the club and some others who give her unwanted type of attention. Is all this hassle really worth the opportunity to play some games of chess? Louise - most women don't feel at ease in such an environment and you are an exception.
All of the above is based on my own experience of playing chess for 28 years.
With regards to the 4NCL - it's one of very few chances for women in this country to get an experience in an international tournament. This country badly needs to develop some strong women players, so I'd even be in favour of implementing a French league rule - only allow British women to play in the 4NCL. Whether you like it or not there are women's Olympiads, European and other international championships. If positive discrimination based on gender helps this country to get a medal in one of those top women's competitions then I'm all for it!
I guess one of the big reasons why girls don't stick with chess is because of socialising. Girls require a lot more social interaction by their nature and their discussion topics are quite different to those of boys. So unless a girl is a bit of a tomboy from an early age - she'd find herself a bit out of place among boys in chess because to socialise she'd have to get quite good at talking about and even participating in things she's not particularly interested about (like football). Not many girls would stick with their interest if the overall environment is off-putting, especially if they are not from a chess-playing family.
Similar pattern continues into the adulthood. A woman is lucky if she joins a club that has other women. This severely limits the enjoyment from social interaction because she'd find herself mostly involved in typical men's conversations like about football, rugby and women. Apart from that she'd notice some rather weird/scruffy characters in the club and some others who give her unwanted type of attention. Is all this hassle really worth the opportunity to play some games of chess? Louise - most women don't feel at ease in such an environment and you are an exception.
All of the above is based on my own experience of playing chess for 28 years.
With regards to the 4NCL - it's one of very few chances for women in this country to get an experience in an international tournament. This country badly needs to develop some strong women players, so I'd even be in favour of implementing a French league rule - only allow British women to play in the 4NCL. Whether you like it or not there are women's Olympiads, European and other international championships. If positive discrimination based on gender helps this country to get a medal in one of those top women's competitions then I'm all for it!