2016 draw

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2016 draw

Postby Mick Norris » Tue Jan 26, 2016 11:37 am

Under 100
Quarter 1 M2 v S2
Quarter 2 S1 v M3
Semi 1 Winner Q1 v N1
Semi 2 Winner Q2 v M1

Under 120
Preliminary S3 v M3
Quarter 1 E1 v Winner P
Quarter 2 M1 v S2
Quarter 3 S1 v E2
Quarter 4 N1 v M2

Under 140
Quarter 1 N1 v M2
Quarter 2 W1 v S2
Quarter 3 M1 v S3
Quarter 4 S1 v M3
Semi 1 Winner Q1 v Winner Q2
Semi 2 Winner Q3 v Winner Q4

Under 160
Preliminary S3 v E2
Quarter 1 M1 (Notts) v Winner P
Quarter 2 S1 (Middlesex) v N2
Quarter 3 E1 v S2
Quarter 4 N1 v M2 (G Man)

Under 180
Quarter 1 M1 (Warks) v S2
Quarter 2 W1 (Devon) v S3
Semi 1 Winner Q1 v N1
Semi 2 Winner Q2 v S1

Minor
Preliminary 1 W2 v M3
Preliminary 2 S2 v E3
Quarter 1 S1 v Winner P1
Quarter 2 E1 v M2
Quarter 3 M1 v Winner P2
Quarter 4 W1 v E2

Open
Quarter 1 N1 v S3
Quarter 2 N2 v S2
Semi 1 S1 v Winner Q1
Semi 2 M1 (Staffs) v Winner Q2
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Re: 2016 draw

Postby LawrenceCooper » Tue Jan 26, 2016 11:53 am

A long hard season for Staffs I then being pressed into action as early as the National semi. Hopefully we will have a captain in place by then.

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Re: 2016 draw

Postby Mick Norris » Tue Jan 26, 2016 12:01 pm

Well, you have a few months yet

This season, the default dates are: April 23, May 21, June 11, and the Final will be played on July 2.
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Re: 2016 draw

Postby IM Jack Rudd » Tue Jan 26, 2016 12:24 pm

Oh good. Another quarter-final against an East Anglian team.

(Is there any chance that we could, one of these years, get a quarter-final against a team from M or S?)

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Re: 2016 draw

Postby benedgell » Tue Jan 26, 2016 6:18 pm

If we could aim to finish 2nd in the South West it might help ;)

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Re: 2016 draw

Postby Richard Bates » Tue Jan 26, 2016 8:10 pm

S1 vs N1 in the Open Semi-Final?!

Is it really a great idea to publish a draw in advance of the completion of qualifying competitions when a draw like this could easily result in teams seeking to game the qualifying competitions to their advantage?

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Re: 2016 draw

Postby Andrew Zigmond » Tue Jan 26, 2016 9:27 pm

Richard Bates wrote:S1 vs N1 in the Open Semi-Final?!

Is it really a great idea to publish a draw in advance of the completion of qualifying competitions when a draw like this could easily result in teams seeking to game the qualifying competitions to their advantage?


I might get shot for answering on here but I'll risk it.

In practical terms the deadline for unions to send nominations is 31st March. Some unions are very tight to the deadline, particularly if they have a vigorous union stage competition. Generally speaking most captains like to have some idea who they're playing by then so that they can start arranging venues, particularly those who have to play a preliminary match in April. We normally receive several complaints that the draw isn't confirmed as it is. At least the skeleton draw gives them an idea.

In terms of `gaming` the system unions are not obliged to nominate in any specific order anyway.
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Re: 2016 draw

Postby MartinCarpenter » Wed Jan 27, 2016 9:35 am

Judging by last year, there's even some chance that there won't be an N2 :(

The byes in the quarter final are the more objectively worrying thing I'd have thought but its hardly obvious what to do about those.

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Re: 2016 draw

Postby Mick Norris » Wed Jan 27, 2016 9:44 am

MartinCarpenter wrote:Judging by last year, there's even some chance that there won't be an N2 :(


I was told on Monday that it had been proposed to have a joint Lancs-Yorks team :shock:
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Re: 2016 draw

Postby Roger de Coverly » Wed Jan 27, 2016 10:14 am

Andrew Zigmond wrote:
In terms of `gaming` the system unions are not obliged to nominate in any specific order anyway.


You could then use a purely or mostly random draw and let the Unions give preferences to the teams in order of finishing. West of England teams might then get to play SCCU opposition.

If there are 10 entrants to the Minor Counties and 6 to the Open, that suggests a little too much leeway is given as to which counties qualify as "Minor".

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Re: 2016 draw

Postby Mick Norris » Wed Jan 27, 2016 11:22 am

Roger de Coverly wrote:If there are 10 entrants to the Minor Counties and 6 to the Open, that suggests a little too much leeway is given as to which counties qualify as "Minor".


The only counties that can win the Open are Lancs, Yorks and the Southern counties - much as I would like to see Staffs win it

What is happening now is that counties that can't win it - the MCCU, WECU & EACU counties - are entering the Minor instead and running competitions to qualify teams specifically for the Minor Counties

If you were to exclude counties, then the southern counties that don't make the Open and go in the Minor would be the ones - whether that's fair is another issue - alternatively, you could let all the SCCU counties go into the Open and then you would have quarter finals with 8 teams (5 SCCU, 2 NCCU and Staffs)
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Re: 2016 draw

Postby LawrenceCooper » Wed Jan 27, 2016 11:39 am

Mick Norris wrote: The only counties that can win the Open are Lancs, Yorks and the Southern counties - much as I would like to see Staffs win it


Unlikely though it may be we might be able to repeat our 1992 triumph one day. I think there's more chance of it happening than England winning a second world cup, but sadly not as likely as Tottenham winning a second league title based on the current league table.

I notice that the ECF website no longer updates the winners of the county championship http://www.englishchess.org.uk/historic ... p-winners/

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Re: 2016 draw

Postby Matt Mackenzie » Wed Jan 27, 2016 12:44 pm

Sorry to be a pedant, but Spurs already have two league wins ;)
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Re: 2016 draw

Postby MartinCarpenter » Wed Jan 27, 2016 12:56 pm

Mick Norris wrote:
MartinCarpenter wrote:Judging by last year, there's even some chance that there won't be an N2 :(


I was told on Monday that it had been proposed to have a joint Lancs-Yorks team :shock:


Ummm, yes, that's an 'interesting' sort of idea :) Yes, Yorkshire have tons of the sort of spare lower/mid board players Lancs would need to bulk their team out but really?!

It'd be rather more logical on an a priori basis to go joint Lancashire/Manchester for the Open. Goodness, you're all cooperating quite nicely in the 4NCL and there's about a century of historical precedent.

Unfortunately, of course, the politics would make even a joint Yorks/Lancs affair look trivial to arrange!

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Re: 2016 draw

Postby LawrenceCooper » Wed Jan 27, 2016 1:17 pm

Matt Mackenzie wrote:Sorry to be a pedant, but Spurs already have two league wins ;)


Oops, that will teach me to base my info on a "61, never again" chant :oops: I have a feeling that it may well be three at the end of this season.


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