Why is Joey Barton such a c*ck?

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Why is Joey Barton such a c*ck?

Post by Paul McKeown » Mon May 14, 2012 9:47 am

Can anyone explain it?

QPR desperate to avoid the drop, get's himself sent off (AGAIN) and faces lengthy ban for further aggro after the card.

Proper ****

Well done, City, btw!

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Re: Why is Joey Barton such a c*ck?

Post by David Robertson » Mon May 14, 2012 10:59 am

Ethnic Scouser. It's genetic, I'm afraid

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Re: Why is Joey Barton such a c*ck?

Post by Paul McKeown » Mon May 14, 2012 11:40 am

Hmmm, don't think that explains the John Terry phenomenon, though.

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Re: Why is Joey Barton such a c*ck?

Post by Paul McKeown » Mon May 14, 2012 11:41 am

The head was never gone at any stage. Once I'd been sent off, one of our players suggested I should try to take 1 of theirs with me. Never worked but god loves a trier.
Joseph Barton, Esq., by Twitter

Says it all.

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Re: Why is Joey Barton such a c*ck?

Post by David Robertson » Mon May 14, 2012 12:13 pm

I'm being vaguely tongue-in-cheek about the genetic factor - vaguely because I'd put money on neuroscience having something to say on the matter one day.

Meanwhile we have informed speculation. And my assessment is this. Barton is a different kind of nutter from Terry - same spectrum, opposite ends. John Terry lies at the dimwit end. His thuggery can be placed in the same box as Wayne Rooney, Steve Gerrard and countless other 'hard men'. Joey Barton lies at the more intelligent, psychopathic end. It's a different quality of 'hardness', arguably nastier, less 'instinctive', more calculated.

I could go on. But it's too depressing

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Re: Why is Joey Barton such a c*ck?

Post by Matt Mackenzie » Mon May 14, 2012 12:20 pm

Paul McKeown wrote:Well done, City, btw!
Yup, one billion pounds spent to squeeze past the worst MUFC side in two decades. My admiration knows no bounds :roll: :mrgreen:
"Set up your attacks so that when the fire is out, it isn't out!" (H N Pillsbury)

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Re: Why is Joey Barton such a c*ck?

Post by Paul Cooksey » Mon May 14, 2012 12:34 pm

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Cost of United's starting team yesterday £169 million. Cost of City's, £161 million. The title has always been bought, the only thing that changes is where the money comes from.

A City fan has too many big things to be happy about at the moment, to worry about the little things. But when I get round to it, I'll remind myself that the team City would have had in the absence of ownership changes, had a central midfield of Stephen Ireland and Joey Barton.

If I hadn't seen such riches I could live with being poor. But I'm not sure I could have lived with those two. :D

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Re: Why is Joey Barton such a c*ck?

Post by Paul McKeown » Mon May 14, 2012 12:37 pm

Now, now, Matt! For everyone who simply gets bored listening to United fans droning on, it's nice to see a team like City do well. Personally I vaguely follow West Brom, because I used to go to "The Vines" back in the day when the 4NCL used to play at West Brom. Thought the WB fans were pretty decent, even in adversity. Couldn't not warm to them after regularly listening to the words, "Oh, lost again", in a Midlands accent!
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Re: Why is Joey Barton such a c*ck?

Post by Brendan O'Gorman » Mon May 14, 2012 12:38 pm

Matt Mackenzie wrote:
Paul McKeown wrote:Well done, City, btw!
Yup, one billion pounds spent to squeeze past the worst MUFC side in two decades. My admiration knows no bounds :roll: :mrgreen:
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Re: Why is Joey Barton such a c*ck?

Post by Paul McKeown » Mon May 14, 2012 12:39 pm

Put that on your official £62.95 MUFC shirt, Matt! :mrgreen:

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Re: Why is Joey Barton such a c*ck?

Post by Matt Mackenzie » Mon May 14, 2012 1:06 pm

Paul Cooksey wrote:Cost of United's starting team yesterday £169 million. Cost of City's, £161 million
Which merely proves the truth of the old adage about statistics :P
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Re: Why is Joey Barton such a c*ck?

Post by John McKenna » Mon May 14, 2012 1:12 pm

Joey may be relegated all on his 'Sweeny Todd' - as John Terry would say - by being sold down the river. Just a question of how low can he go.

[One of the best-known examples of Cockney rhyming slang (on your tod -> on your Tod Sloan -> on your own). It's a common device of rhyming slang to use the name of a popular celebrity. Other contenders for 'on your own' are 'on your Jack' (Jones - UK) and 'on your Pat' (Malone - Australia). Fame can be fleeting though and none of these are exactly household names now.

James Forman (Tod) Sloan was born in Indiana in 1874 and overcame neglect and poverty in his early life to become a highly successful jockey. Initially rejected by his parents, his life changed when he discovered his talent as a jockey and began to win prestigious and lucrative races. His success was based on the short-stirrup style of riding, sitting high on the horse's neck, which he developed himself - called the 'monkey crouch'. Despite his start in life as an uneducated and malnourished street urchin, Sloan lived the American dream by becoming one of the world's best-known sportsmen. He adopted the name Todhunter and embarked on a flamboyant lifestyle, complete with fast cars, adoring women and a personal valet. George M. Cohan's song The Yankee Doodle Boy, from the show Little Johnny Jones, was based on Sloan's life:

I'm a Yankee Doodle dandy,
A Yankee Doodle, do or die;
A real live nephew of my Uncle Sam's,
Born on the Fourth of July.
I've got a Yankee Doodle sweetheart,
She's my Yankee Doodle joy.
Yankee Doodle came to London,
Just to ride the ponies,
I am a Yankee Doodle boy.

Having won all there was to win in America, Sloan turned his attention to England - then the epicentre of the racing establishment. In 1897 he was engaged by the Prince of Wales as his principal rider. Sloan was initially the subject of ridicule for his riding style and was called 'monkey jockey' by the English press. He continued his winning ways though and a considerable tide of resentment grew against his success, but also against his brashness and allegations of his illegal betting on his own races. He was personally disliked by many of his acquaintances as his lack of social graces often lead to him being considered rude and disdainful.

Sloan's fall from grace was as spectacular as his previous success. Following pressure from Lord Durham, the steward of The Jockey Club, the sport's controlling body, The Prince of Wales dismissed him. In December 1900, The New York Times reported that:

"Now the Prince of Wales has thrown him over no English owner is likely to employ him."

He was later informed by The Jockey Club that he "need not apply for a licence" for the 1901 season due to unspecified "conduct prejudicial to the best interests of the sport". There were allegations of jealousy and anti-Americanism in the US press. These were no doubt justified but it seems that the primary motivation was that they just didn't like him. Whatever the cause, the racing ban was upheld in America too and his career was effectively over. After some ill-fated attempts to open businesses and break into film acting, Sloan faded from public view. He was married and divorced twice but died alone, of cirrhosis, in 1933.

It is rather poignant that Sloan's name should have become synonymous with solitude. Both his early and late life seem lonely and depressing. In his autobiography, called with some feeling 'Tod Sloan by Himself', he wrote of his sadness at being abandoned by his long-dead parents - "I was left alone by those I have never ceased to grieve for".]

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Re: Why is Joey Barton such a c*ck?

Post by Krishna Shiatis » Mon May 14, 2012 1:35 pm

Although this is a very good question and I think David Robertson gave a very good answer, the real question is

"Which idiots keep on choosing/paying such a total **** to be in their team?"

David Robertson

Re: Why is Joey Barton such a c*ck?

Post by David Robertson » Mon May 14, 2012 3:33 pm


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Re: Why is Joey Barton such a c*ck?

Post by John McKenna » Mon May 14, 2012 3:37 pm

Like the concept that Joey is the 'noble savage' and didn't know that Tony Adams had become a writer after his attempts to manage.