The English Language

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John McKenna

Re: The English Language

Post by John McKenna » Sat Dec 03, 2016 10:33 am

"Knights prosper in front of enemy passed pawns" is, I think, a sloppy expression.

Usually a knight is a good piece when on the square immediately in front of an isolated enemy passed pawn.

Usually it will not "prosper in front of" connected "enemy passed pawns".
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Re: The English Language

Post by Barry Sandercock » Sat Dec 03, 2016 11:17 am

Yes. Very good answer. The knight is not going to "prosper" if the opponent has a mate coming up. It all depends on the position.

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Re: The English Language

Post by soheil_hooshdaran » Sat Dec 03, 2016 6:45 pm

Oh, it is an enemy passed pawn

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Re: The English Language

Post by soheil_hooshdaran » Sun Dec 04, 2016 5:07 am

Plus, what is a newborn bishop?
This poor, newborn Bishop looks more like a tall pawn.....

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Re: The English Language

Post by Barry Sandercock » Sun Dec 04, 2016 10:17 am

I've never heard of this term before. It makes no sense to me.

Clive Blackburn

Re: The English Language

Post by Clive Blackburn » Sun Dec 04, 2016 11:43 am

soheil_hooshdaran wrote:Plus, what is a newborn bishop?
This poor, newborn Bishop looks more like a tall pawn.....
The only reason I can think of that a bishop could be described as "newborn" would be if a pawn was promoted to make the bishop.
I haven't seen the positions so I don't know if that is what happened.

John McKenna

Re: The English Language

Post by John McKenna » Sun Dec 04, 2016 1:30 pm

Like Barry I've never heard of a "newborn bishop" until now.

I agree with Clive that it almost certainly refers to a pawn promoted to a bishop.

Particularly because in the quote in question it is compared to a pawn... "This poor, newborn bishop looks more like a tall pawn..."

I wonder why it is called 'poor', though?

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Re: The English Language

Post by Barry Sandercock » Sun Dec 04, 2016 2:13 pm

Yes, I did think of the pawn promotion. However, the "tall pawn " reference suggests to me that the bishop is so hemmed in by pawns making it of little use and worth only about a pawn. Again, as John said about a previous query, a sloppy expression.

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Re: The English Language

Post by soheil_hooshdaran » Mon Dec 05, 2016 4:07 pm

Clive Blackburn wrote:
soheil_hooshdaran wrote:Plus, what is a newborn bishop?
This poor, newborn Bishop looks more like a tall pawn.....
The only reason I can think of that a bishop could be described as "newborn" would be if a pawn was promoted to make the bishop.
I haven't seen the positions so I don't know if that is what happened.
No, it is that the blockading knight on d6 is, imaginarily, replace by a bishop on d6, blocked by pawns on c5 and e5

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Re: The English Language

Post by soheil_hooshdaran » Mon Dec 05, 2016 4:21 pm

After:
1.¤f3 e6
Peter Clarke wrote:
There are people who play this against any opening move by White. Perhaps it is the only reply that unquestionably deserves such a strange distinction.
What distinction?

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Re: The English Language

Post by IM Jack Rudd » Mon Dec 05, 2016 4:28 pm

soheil_hooshdaran wrote:After:
1.¤f3 e6
Peter Clarke wrote:
There are people who play this against any opening move by White. Perhaps it is the only reply that unquestionably deserves such a strange distinction.
What distinction?
The one pointed out in the preceding sentence.

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Re: The English Language

Post by soheil_hooshdaran » Mon Dec 05, 2016 4:40 pm

But there is not preceding sentence!
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Re: The English Language

Post by soheil_hooshdaran » Mon Dec 05, 2016 4:42 pm

OK.
What's the difference between
Black willingly weakens an important square
and
Black voluntariy weakens an important square
?

John McKenna

Re: The English Language

Post by John McKenna » Mon Dec 05, 2016 5:47 pm

It solely lies in the different meaning of the two adverbs.

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Re: The English Language

Post by soheil_hooshdaran » Mon Dec 05, 2016 5:55 pm

Why does he call White, "the handler of White pieces"?