Re: Midlands Rapid u150 GP
Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 10:08 pm
They don't play for an MCCU county, that's the point
The independent home for discussions on the English Chess scene.
https://www.ecforum.org.uk/
The key word in what I said was "or". So if they played for an MCCU something, be it league, club, county or whatever, then I don't see any harm in them winning the prize.Mick Norris wrote:They don't play for an MCCU county, that's the point
Your hypothetical - and perfectly spherical - Brum student in Surrey is eligible to play during vacation for the MCCU county of residence or to fit a county match in with refeeding/laundry services from the family. Would you not want the MCCU to encourage players to represent its own counties?So the theoretical Birmingham-based student born in Surrey could win the prize if he didn't play for Surrey, but not win the prize if he did. Makes no sense.
I think you've slightly got this the wrong way around.raycollett wrote:Your hypothetical - and perfectly spherical - Brum student in Surrey is eligible to play during vacation for the MCCU county of residence or to fit a county match in with refeeding/laundry services from the family. Would you not want the MCCU to encourage players to represent its own counties?So the theoretical Birmingham-based student born in Surrey could win the prize if he didn't play for Surrey, but not win the prize if he did. Makes no sense.
While not wanting to be condescending to the MCCU, I agree that this particular rule is bonkers and in need of a rethink.Sean Hewitt wrote:Let me get this straight.
I'm born in Leicester and live in Stockport (Cheshire) so can play for Leicestershire or Cheshire as I choose. I win the grand prix (hurrah!). If I then play a county game for Leicestershire, no problem, but if I play for Cheshire and I'm booted out of the Grand Prix?
Utterly bonkers!
But then again, this is the MCCU
Not surprisingly, I'd never heard of the MCCU RGP until I saw this thread.Sean Hewitt wrote:Let me get this straight.
I'm born in Leicester and live in Stockport (Cheshire) so can play for Leicestershire or Cheshire as I choose. I win the grand prix (hurrah!). If I then play a county game for Leicestershire, no problem, but if I play for Cheshire and I'm booted out of the Grand Prix?
Utterly bonkers!
But then again, this is the MCCU
You might have found that difficult this year!Sean Hewitt - .. but if I play for Cheshire and I'm booted out of the Grand Prix?
So long as a Hereforshire or Northamptonshire player does not represent another county, the current rules permit participation in the Midlands under-150 RGP.IM Jack Rudd wrote:How about if his eligibility is for a county that's inactive on the county scene?
While logical in that it would help MCCU counties do better, it's illogical in that it is a chess-prevention rule for the people described by Jack.David Sedgwick wrote:However, I can discern the logic. The MCCU doesn't mind if players don't play county chess at all, but it wishes to discourage them from representing counties in other Unions.
So the MCCU is actively writing rules that prevent people from playing in the Counties Championship to the advantage of its own counties. The MCCU should be proud. Remind me again of how I can propose a rule change?raycollett wrote:So long as a Hereforshire or Northamptonshire player does not represent another county, the current rules permit participation in the Midlands under-150 RGP.IM Jack Rudd wrote:How about if his eligibility is for a county that's inactive on the county scene?
Contact your county secretary and ask the county to sponsor a proposal, which would be discussed at the MCCU AGM.Alex Holowczak wrote:Remind me again of how I can propose a rule change
OK, so I could contact the Worcs and Warks people, and I could also get Sean to do it via his connection to Leics (it seems he agrees with me). Will sort it out ASAP...raycollett wrote:Contact your county secretary and ask the county to sponsor a proposal, which would be discussed at the MCCU AGM.Alex Holowczak wrote:Remind me again of how I can propose a rule change
Alternatively you could allow yourself to be nominated for the post of Events Controller who can set up the event's rules within policy agreed by MCCU. If the MCCU were to debate and make a decision on the issue whether players who have represented non-MCCU counties, but are members of MCCU-associated clubs, clearly the event controller would be expected to follow the agreed policy. The term "MCCU-associated club" probably needs a definition to make any decision by a Controller transparent and reduce potential criticism that a controller was inconsistent.