Curious error message from ECF grading site

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Curious error message from ECF grading site

Postby John Upham » Mon Aug 29, 2016 3:21 pm

Attempting to confirm the grading code for

Kabir Mehotia Bhatia (who plays for Harrow)

I consulted the August 22nd 2016 version of the ECF master list and found 304382E

If one then shunts this into the on-line ECF grading site one obtains

No player has PlayerCode 304382E


Clearly this is nonsense.

Perhaps more meaningful would be

"I'm not allowed to inform you about PlayerCode 304382E but the code has been allocated to a player"

This player is not even listed under Ungraded players suggesting a new category of player: Graded, ungraded and secret.

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Re: Curious error message from ECF grading site

Postby Angus French » Mon Aug 29, 2016 3:59 pm

Merged into 299673L?

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Re: Curious error message from ECF grading site

Postby John Upham » Mon Aug 29, 2016 4:08 pm

You may well be correct Angus but why the conflict between the Master List and the on-line system?

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Re: Curious error message from ECF grading site

Postby Nick Grey » Mon Aug 29, 2016 7:48 pm

John you ought to put the query back to Richard Haddrell. Let me know if a Thames Valley query as have been dealt with to go into August update.
To confirm no Thames Valley games last season nor on Harrow's list of registrations for Thames Valley League.
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Re: Curious error message from ECF grading site

Postby Roger Lancaster » Wed Aug 31, 2016 2:44 pm

I reproduce part of an email from Andrew Walker at the ECF Office regarding someone else, which I think will also answer your question:

"(Name withheld) is a Free Junior Silver member, which in her case runs from 1/7/16 to 31/8/17. The grading database and the software that generates the membership spreadsheet are both incapable, as yet, of registering that these members are members. Those with the power to remedy this have this information, but have not acted yet, as far as I know.

"Between now and 1st September, when the problem will allegedly remedy itself, these members can only really be confirmed by a telephone call or email to us during office hours."

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Re: Curious error message from ECF grading site

Postby Richard Haddrell » Thu Sep 01, 2016 9:30 pm

Why the conspiracy theory, John? The online grading database has two categories of player: graded and ungraded. Secret, no. The reason 304382E doesn't appear is that he's got no games. He is in the central database and master list, rather spuriously, on the strength of zero results in a certain league (not Thames valley) the season before last. He may not even exist. The online list doesn't trouble you with such phantoms. It will show gameless players if they're ECF Members, but the phantom isn't.

He does exist, as it happens. On inspection he is obviously the same person as 299673L but with the (exotic) name almost unrecognisably shuffled. No one had noticed, starting with the Grading Administrator. The two should be merged. Hasn't happened yet, Angus, but it will.

Incidentally, John, this Forum is not the right place for this sort of query. Write to the Grading Administrator. That's Paul Hatchett when the transfer to him is complete, but I'm holding the fort in the meantime. Won't be long, I don't think.

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Re: Curious error message from ECF grading site

Postby Kevin Thurlow » Fri Sep 02, 2016 9:33 am

"this Forum is not the right place for this sort of query"

However, it is a right place for thanking Richard for all his many years of hard work dealing with grading (and other) matters.

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Re: Curious error message from ECF grading site

Postby Mick Norris » Fri Sep 02, 2016 9:42 am

Kevin Thurlow wrote:"this Forum is not the right place for this sort of query"

However, it is a right place for thanking Richard for all his many years of hard work dealing with grading (and other) matters.


Indeed it would, he has always been very helpful on the many occasions I have bothered him with grading enquiries

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Re: Curious error message from ECF grading site

Postby Roger Lancaster » Fri Sep 02, 2016 12:47 pm

I'd like to add my thanks to Richard, who has been unfailingly helpful when contacted, and my best wishes to Paul.


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