Illegal moves and the rating of games

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John Upham
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Illegal moves and the rating of games

Post by John Upham » Thu May 20, 2010 8:54 am

I would appreciate a ruling on the following matter from the knowledgeable and wise.... :D

In a recent local league match a game was completed by resignation of the second player.

The following day it transpired that an illegal move (some moves before the resignation) had been played and not been noticed.

The first player has enquired if the game can be withdrawn from the rating process.

I appreciate that matters of rating have little to do with the Laws of Chess.

What are your thoughts on this matter?
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Sean Hewitt

Re: Illegal moves and the rating of games

Post by Sean Hewitt » Thu May 20, 2010 9:11 am

John Upham wrote:I would appreciate a ruling on the following matter from the knowledgeable and wise.... :D

In a recent local league match a game was completed by resignation of the second player.

The following day it transpired that an illegal move (some moves before the resignation) had been played and not been noticed.

The first player has enquired if the game can be withdrawn from the rating process.

I appreciate that matters of rating have little to do with the Laws of Chess.

What are your thoughts on this matter?
Once the result of a game is agreed it cannot be changed, even if an illegal move is subsequently discovered. So the result stands and the game graded as per that result.

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Re: Illegal moves and the rating of games

Post by Gareth Harley-Yeo » Thu May 20, 2010 10:08 am

Agreed. It's the first player's own fault for not realising an illegal move was played whilst at the board.

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Re: Illegal moves and the rating of games

Post by Paul McKeown » Sun Jul 25, 2010 12:56 pm

The benighted Jonathan Kay of Staines and Athenaeum chess clubs, once had the misfortune in the Banks League to play an opponent of annoyance great. An evening's niggle, sigh and shrug, left poor old Jonny the last amongst his comrades still engaged in the hurly burly. Proud possessor of not only an extra piece, but a handsome three pawns more, to boot, it was understandable that he wondered when, if and how his antagonist might grace him with a (never too late) concession. Suddenly, bolt from the blue, this woeful and gangrel fellow flung his queen onto a square adjacent to Jonny's king, and bellowed, "Checkmate!" Irritated beyond the point of fury with the ill manners of this uncouth oaf, Jonny, without troubling himself to examine the position with care, grabbed his coat and stormed out. Onlookers aghast were all, the king so sorely insulted having not merely one but a fully royal choice of two squares on which it could take refuge. Those amongst the gathered throng that might be considered mates leapt into pursuit, but it availed them none, Jonny having found instant solace in the Scotch bottle offered up in some dank backstreet bothy. On their return to the shambles, the Orc then proceeded to harangue them one and all as to the unwarranted interference of those who had taken it upon themselves to search for the ill starred Jonathan.

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Re: Illegal moves and the rating of games

Post by Matt Mackenzie » Sun Jul 25, 2010 1:06 pm

A similar trick, only shouting "stalemate!!" instead, has been tried a few times in master play in the past........

Successfully on more than one occasion, too :shock:
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