2010/ 11 grades

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Adam Raoof
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Re: 2010/ 11 grades

Post by Adam Raoof » Fri Jul 29, 2011 4:25 pm

However, if you are using ECF grades to put a team in strict grading / strength order, you could use A-E to help you out - two players with the same grade, the A grade goes above the B-E grades.
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Re: 2010/ 11 grades

Post by Dave Ewart » Sat Aug 06, 2011 7:14 pm

Interesting.

As per the spec *on average* E grades will be just as representative as A grades. Of course, *variability* is higher for E players. My grade is E154, which might mean (say) that my "true grade" (whatever *that* means) is somewhere between 154 +/- 15 (say from 139 to 169); on the other hand someone with A154 might be 154 +/- 5 (say from 149 to 159).

I don't think you'd choose to put A154 ahead of E154 in strength, necessarily: you might be more tempted to use the 'A'-graded player in a club team if you thought them more likely to be able to play more games during the coming season, though, because they tend to play more: that's not a strength issue, of course.

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Re: 2010/ 11 grades

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Sat Aug 06, 2011 8:37 pm

Dave Ewart wrote:Interesting.

As per the spec *on average* E grades will be just as representative as A grades. Of course, *variability* is higher for E players. My grade is E154, which might mean (say) that my "true grade" (whatever *that* means) is somewhere between 154 +/- 15 (say from 139 to 169); on the other hand someone with A154 might be 154 +/- 5 (say from 149 to 159).

I don't think you'd choose to put A154 ahead of E154 in strength, necessarily: you might be more tempted to use the 'A'-graded player in a club team if you thought them more likely to be able to play more games during the coming season, though, because they tend to play more: that's not a strength issue, of course.
I would look at recent form, if available, and use that, rather than A-E categories. But if an E-grade player was performing much better or worse than his or her grade, I would then mentally discard the E-grade as unreliable. The bit about availability is a good point, though. If you can't get players to commit and say how much chess they are likely to play in a season, the A-E stuff will give some indication. And I say this as someone who once (for a match) looked up players grades (for both teams) going back three years... It turned out to be a bit of a pointless exercise, but it was interesting to be able to see people's grading history over the years and see if their grade was trending up or trending down.