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Re: Dave Rumens

Postby Matt Mackenzie » Mon Jul 17, 2017 10:24 pm

It was Bronstein who was fond of the occasional "long think" in the first couple of moves, that wasn't really a Tal sort of thing. Though IIRC it was Samisch who sat cogitating for an hour after being faced with 1d4, and *eventually* came up with the highly original 1....Nf6 :lol:
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Re: Dave Rumens

Postby David Mabbs » Tue Jul 18, 2017 11:04 am

Adding a little more information about the East Ham Town Hall story - there were several hundred people trying to sleep on that floor that night, mostly exhausted people. But there was so much background noise, and comings and goings, that sleep was highly sporadic. Everybody left together the following morning.

(I'll complete the story in a day or two.)

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Re: Dave Rumens

Postby Stewart Reuben » Tue Jul 18, 2017 11:38 am

Reg. The GM who thought for 50 minutes over his first move, possibly with Black, was David Bronstein. That would not have been typical of Tal!
I expect Dave thought, 'What a palooka!' he often used that expression, rather than the more common 'patzer'. I finally looked it up on Chambers online. It is North American slang for one guilty of stupid behavior.

In my obituary, I should have added: 'One cannot help speculating how his play would have been affected, if he had been dissuaded from moving his f pawn early in the game'.

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Re: Dave Rumens

Postby Paul Habershon » Tue Jul 18, 2017 1:46 pm

Stewart Reuben writes: In my obituary, I should have added: 'One cannot help speculating how his play would have been affected, if he had been dissuaded from moving his f pawn early in the game'.

Haven't checked, but I think in Matthew Sadler's '60 seconds with....' interview in 'Chess' magazine he cites not moving the f pawn early in the game as his main advice for the club player.

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Re: Dave Rumens

Postby NickFaulks » Tue Jul 18, 2017 2:05 pm

I never realised Matthew was such a spoilsport!

Seriously, the answer to the question of Rumens and his f-pawn, as with Mike Basman and his g-pawn, must be "but then he wouldn't have been Dave Rumens".

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Re: Dave Rumens

Postby Gordon Cadden » Tue Jul 18, 2017 7:23 pm

Dave kept 1. f4 for the palookas. It was his favourite opening for demolishing the weaker players.

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Re: Dave Rumens

Postby Rejean Dupuis » Tue Jul 18, 2017 11:25 pm

David was with us the night before he was rushed to the hospital. He had been ill the last few weeks with some ear problems but was assuring us that evening that he was starting to feel better.

He passed on his love for chess to my son who said to me recently "no matter what, David will always be my best chess coach ever". I take some small solace in the fact that until the end he was doing something he was passionate about and took joy in doing it. He had always been very generous with his time and expertise to help my son get confident and do his best. I can't imagine a better tutor. His enthusiasm and dedication will be missed. Last summer, he came with us to the Gigafinals, and then travelled daily from London to the British Championship in Bournemouth to coach my son. He was planning to come to the Gigafinals next weekend and Llandudno after that. His absence will be sorely felt.

I will miss our conversations ranging from cosmology, chess, religion to extraterrestrial life. Each time we met he had new science books to discuss with me, and new chess games to study with my son.

RIP David.

Here is a picture of him in the final game of the Youth World Chess Championships in Munchenstein in 1959:
http://bit.ly/2uGbGQi

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Re: Dave Rumens

Postby Matt Mackenzie » Wed Jul 19, 2017 1:03 pm

It appears that Rumens has no Wikipedia article (his ex-wife does, but he isn't even mentioned there)

Maybe something should be suggested?
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Re: Dave Rumens

Postby E Michael White » Thu Jul 20, 2017 2:51 pm

Gordon Cadden wrote:
Roger de Coverly wrote:
Gordon Cadden wrote:They knew the theoretical lines of play, and had no fear of Rumens aggressive style over the board.


There are a few examples where they came unstuck.

This may be one of the better known ones. The positions reached in this game hadn't been seen before and haven't been seen since.

Event "Ch Great Britain"]
[Site "Brighton (England)"]
[Date "1980.??.??"]
[Round "11"]
[White "Rumens David E (ENG)"]
[Black "Chandler Murray G (ENG)"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "B21"]
[WhiteElo "2210"]
[BlackElo "2450"]
[Annotator ""]
[Source ""]
[Remark "VIII"]

1.e4 g6 2.f4 Bg7 3.Nf3 c5 4.Be2 Nc6 5.O-O d5 6.exd5 Qxd5 7.Nc3
Qd7 8.Ne5 Nxe5 9.fxe5 a6 10.d4 cxd4 11.Bc4 dxc3 12.Bxf7+ Kd8
13.Qe2 cxb2 14.Bxb2 Qb5 15.Qd2+ Kc7 16.c4 Qd7 17.Qf2 Qc6 18.Bd5
Qb6 19.Bd4 Qa5 20.Rab1 Kb8 21.Rxb7+ Bxb7 22.Rb1 Qc7 23.Rxb7+
Qxb7 24.Bxb7 Kxb7 25.Qf3+ Kb8 26.Qf7 Bh6 27.Qe8+ Kb7 28.Qd7+
Kb8 29.Bb6 1-0


7. ..., Qd7 was a serious blunder by Murray. Doubt if he published this game in the BCM.


David Rumens did well to find 15.Qd2. My computer has to analyse 21 deep before realising its the only winning move for White.

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Re: Dave Rumens

Postby Roger de Coverly » Thu Jul 20, 2017 4:30 pm

E Michael White wrote:David Rumens did well to find 15.Qd2. My computer has to analyse 21 deep before realising its the only winning move for White.


See a check, play a check. Proving that it wins is another matter.

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Re: Dave Rumens

Postby Gordon Cadden » Sun Jul 23, 2017 11:09 am

Rejean Dupuis wrote:David was with us the night before he was rushed to the hospital. He had been ill the last few weeks with some ear problems but was assuring us that evening that he was starting to feel better.

He passed on his love for chess to my son who said to me recently "no matter what, David will always be my best chess coach ever". I take some small solace in the fact that until the end he was doing something he was passionate about and took joy in doing it. He had always been very generous with his time and expertise to help my son get confident and do his best. I can't imagine a better tutor. His enthusiasm and dedication will be missed. Last summer, he came with us to the Gigafinals, and then travelled daily from London to the British Championship in Bournemouth to coach my son. He was planning to come to the Gigafinals next weekend and Llandudno after that. His absence will be sorely felt.

I will miss our conversations ranging from cosmology, chess, religion to extraterrestrial life. Each time we met he had new science books to discuss with me, and new chess games to study with my son.

RIP David.

Here is a picture of him in the final game of the Youth World Chess Championships in Munchenstein in 1959:
http://bit.ly/2uGbGQi


Very surprised to see the date 1st. January, 1955 on the above picture. Perhaps David Mabbs could shed some light on when Dave Rumens actually joined the Cedars Club.


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