World Senior teams June-July 2016

Information and discussion on all matters relating to Seniors Chess.
Leonard Barden
Posts: 1151
Joined: Wed Dec 24, 2008 11:21 am

Re: World Senior teams June-July 2016

Postby Leonard Barden » Sun Jul 03, 2016 11:43 am

A fine win by Jim Plaskett against one of the golden Soviet legends, though England 2 looks likely to lose the other three games against Armenia.

Keith Arkell
Posts: 549
Joined: Tue Dec 30, 2008 2:10 am

Re: World Senior teams June-July 2016

Postby Keith Arkell » Sun Jul 03, 2016 11:45 am

The other draw being Mark Hebden's with Black v 2543 rated Helgi Olafsson.

Keith Arkell
Posts: 549
Joined: Tue Dec 30, 2008 2:10 am

Re: World Senior teams June-July 2016

Postby Keith Arkell » Sun Jul 03, 2016 11:47 am

Very well done Jim! I just saw it after I posted.

Jonathan Rogers
Posts: 3139
Joined: Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:26 pm

Re: World Senior teams June-July 2016

Postby Jonathan Rogers » Sun Jul 03, 2016 11:52 am

Going back to the GLC event in 1986, which Leicester residents might remember with the same affection as the football Premiership 2015/2016, wasn't Vaganian bullied quite a lot with his Alekhine's then too? I feel quite sure that he lost with it to at least one of Nunn or Plaskett in that event.

The line played today is one that I had a very good record with when I played 1 e4. I actually distantly remember Tim Harding annotating one of his own wins with it in CHESS back in the 1980s. I always followed up 9 Ne2 with Bc3, and I guess that Vaganian expected that - and so 10 Ng3 perhaps came as a surprise. Well, evidently it was a surprise, since the horrible 11...Bxb2+ can hardly have been preparation. Thus Jim had a won position in twelve moves.

I wonder also whether it was the second opening surprise Vaganian had against an Englishman in this event. Nunn's 7...Kf8 in their brief round four draw was startling but also logical in its own way and seemingly very effective.

LawrenceCooper
Posts: 3629
Joined: Tue Dec 20, 2011 8:13 am

Re: World Senior teams June-July 2016

Postby LawrenceCooper » Sun Jul 03, 2016 12:02 pm

Jonathan Rogers wrote:Going back to the GLC event in 1986, which Leicester residents might remember with the same affection as the football Premiership 2015/2016, wasn't Vaganian bullied quite a lot with his Alekhine's then too? I feel quite sure that he lost with it to at least one of Nunn or Plaskett in that event.

The line played today is one that I had a very good record with when I played 1 e4. I actually distantly remember Tim Harding annotating one of his own wins with it in CHESS back in the 1980s. I always followed up 9 Ne2 with Bc3, and I guess that Vaganian expected that - and so 10 Ng3 perhaps came as a surprise. Well, evidently it was a surprise, since the horrible 11...Bxb2+ can hardly have been preparation. Thus Jim had a won position in twelve moves.

I wonder also whether it was the second opening surprise Vaganian had against an Englishman in this event. Nunn's 7...Kf8 in their brief round four draw was startling but also logical in its own way and seemingly very effective.


Wasn't Kf8 actually 0-0 but wrongly transmitted?

NickFaulks
Posts: 2999
Joined: Sat Jan 02, 2010 1:28 pm

Re: World Senior teams June-July 2016

Postby NickFaulks » Sun Jul 03, 2016 12:04 pm

That was what I assumed. Vaganian replied immediately.

Jonathan Rogers
Posts: 3139
Joined: Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:26 pm

Re: World Senior teams June-July 2016

Postby Jonathan Rogers » Sun Jul 03, 2016 12:13 pm

The game doesn't tell us. I too assumed 7...0-0 at first but then I got wondering - maybe Black does want his rook on h8, to play ...h5-h4 ?

Leonard Barden
Posts: 1151
Joined: Wed Dec 24, 2008 11:21 am

Re: World Senior teams June-July 2016

Postby Leonard Barden » Sun Jul 03, 2016 1:29 pm

If it was indeed the un-Nunnish Kf8 White could have played 11 dxe5 Ng4 12 e4! with advantage, says the computer.

LawrenceCooper
Posts: 3629
Joined: Tue Dec 20, 2011 8:13 am

Re: World Senior teams June-July 2016

Postby LawrenceCooper » Sun Jul 03, 2016 2:01 pm

Germany drew so I think the standings going into the last round (match points & game points) are:

Armenia 14 23.5
Germany 14 23
England 13 23.5
Emanuel-Lasker-Gesellschaft 13 22.5

with Armenia likely to face the Emanuel-Lasker team.

LawrenceCooper
Posts: 3629
Joined: Tue Dec 20, 2011 8:13 am

Re: World Senior teams June-July 2016

Postby LawrenceCooper » Sun Jul 03, 2016 2:12 pm

Nr. Heimmannschaft Gastmannschaft Ergebnis
1. Emanuel-Lasker-Gesellschaft - Armenia :
2. Germany 1 - Thüringen :
3. Austria - Russia Women :
4. Post-SV Ulm - England 1 :
5. Hessische Seniorenmannschaft - England 2

Mick Norris
Posts: 6138
Joined: Tue Apr 17, 2007 10:12 am
Location: Harwood, Greater Manchester
Contact:

Re: World Senior teams June-July 2016

Postby Mick Norris » Sun Jul 03, 2016 5:50 pm

Keith Arkell wrote:I have good news: the soccer result has been avenged!

Boards 2, 3 and 4 were drawn, while Jonathan Speelman did the biz on board one v Hjartarsson :-D


:D

Keep up the good work Keith, and pass our best wishes to the rest of the team too
Any postings on here represent my personal views and should not be taken as representative of the Manchester Chess Federation www.manchesterchess.co.uk

Jonathan Rogers
Posts: 3139
Joined: Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:26 pm

Re: World Senior teams June-July 2016

Postby Jonathan Rogers » Sun Jul 03, 2016 6:50 pm

Leonard Barden wrote:If it was indeed the un-Nunnish Kf8 White could have played 11 dxe5 Ng4 12 e4! with advantage, says the computer.


Yes, it would have been quite un-Nunnish. I think it must have been 7...0-0 instead. I guess I get over-attracted to odd-looking moves!

NickFaulks
Posts: 2999
Joined: Sat Jan 02, 2010 1:28 pm

Re: World Senior teams June-July 2016

Postby NickFaulks » Sun Jul 03, 2016 8:42 pm

More importantly, how will the people who expect to make millions out of the live transmissions do so until they can reliably transmit what has happened? How much would the TV rights to last night's Euro game be worth if it had gone "Ozul scores a penalty, but maybe he missed. Watch this space, we should have a definitive answer tomorrow"?

LawrenceCooper
Posts: 3629
Joined: Tue Dec 20, 2011 8:13 am

Re: World Senior teams June-July 2016

Postby LawrenceCooper » Sun Jul 03, 2016 9:01 pm

NickFaulks wrote:More importantly, how will the people who expect to make millions out of the live transmissions do so until they can reliably transmit what has happened? How much would the TV rights to last night's Euro game be worth if it had gone "Ozul scores a penalty, but maybe he missed. Watch this space, we should have a definitive answer tomorrow"?


I don't think anyone would believe that Ozil had scored a penalty :lol:

Tim Harding
Posts: 1134
Joined: Sat Oct 23, 2010 8:46 pm
Location: Dublin, Ireland
Contact:

Re: World Senior teams June-July 2016

Postby Tim Harding » Sun Jul 03, 2016 9:31 pm

Jonathan Rogers wrote:
Leonard Barden wrote:If it was indeed the un-Nunnish Kf8 White could have played 11 dxe5 Ng4 12 e4! with advantage, says the computer.


Yes, it would have been quite un-Nunnish. I think it must have been 7...0-0 instead. I guess I get over-attracted to odd-looking moves!


From the official download file:

[Event "Armenia-England 1"]
[Site "Radebeul"]
[Date "2016.07.01"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Vaganian, Rafael A"]
[Black "Nunn, John D M"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "D79"]
[WhiteElo "2577"]
[BlackElo "2597"]
[PlyCount "42"]
[EventDate "2016.??.??"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. Nf3 g6 3. c4 Bg7 4. g3 c6 5. Nc3 d5 6. cxd5 cxd5 7. Ne5 O-O 8. Bg2
e6 9. Bf4 Bd7 10. Qd2 Nc6 11. O-O Nxe5 12. Bxe5 Bc6 13. Rac1 Nd7 14. Bxg7 Kxg7
15. Rc2 Nf6 16. Rfc1 Qd6 17. e3 Rfc8 18. Ne2 b6 19. Nf4 Bb7 20. Nd3 Rxc2 21.
Rxc2 Rc8 1/2-1/2
Tim Harding
Historian and Kibitzer

Author of 'Joseph Henry Blackburne: A Chess Biography' and 'Eminent Victorian Chess Players'
http://www.chessmail.com


Return to “Seniors Chess”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest