2023/2024 Season

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Re: 2023/2024 Season

Post by Mark Howitt » Sun Oct 01, 2023 4:48 am

Very nice to see Huddersfield draw!

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Re: 2023/2024 Season

Post by Mark Howitt » Sun Oct 01, 2023 4:49 am

Lol I'm not rich and I've already told my sponsor he needs to put more money in ;)

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Re: 2023/2024 Season

Post by Mark Howitt » Sun Oct 01, 2023 4:50 am

Roger de Coverly wrote:
Sun Oct 01, 2023 12:33 am
Andrew Zigmond wrote:
Sun Oct 01, 2023 12:09 am
To answer the question raised - I am the Yorkshire League controller, results are submitted to me by captains and I enter them on LMS as quickly as it is practical for me to do so.
The upgrade would be to get the match captains to do it as soon as they had phone or computer access after their personal games had finished.
Exactly that's all I meant...

Well done to all those who do it quickly!

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Re: 2023/2024 Season

Post by Mark Howitt » Sun Oct 01, 2023 4:51 am

And thanks to everyone who does things for chess for free- I gave free promo today...

When I do play in Yorks league it will only be after doing hours of training (myself for free) before the match.

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Re: 2023/2024 Season

Post by Mark Howitt » Sun Oct 01, 2023 4:57 am

Interesting to see some New Players called New Player playing ;)

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Re: 2023/2024 Season

Post by Stephen Westmoreland » Sun Oct 01, 2023 7:48 am

Mark Howitt wrote:
Sun Oct 01, 2023 4:57 am
Interesting to see some New Players called New Player playing ;)
It can be a little awkward to input new players and match them up. More information is usually needed. I was very impressed with the Dewsbury boards 2 and 6. Considering they are new as well.
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Re: 2023/2024 Season

Post by MartinCarpenter » Sun Oct 01, 2023 8:44 am

Interesting. Anyway, I may as well post the results here too....

An exceptionally close round in the Woodhouse.

York A managed the largest win of the set of matches with a 5-3 win away vs Bradford. Leeds vs Calderdale was 4.5 - 3.5 to Leeds. Harrogate - Ilkley and York B - Huddersfield were draws. York B - Huddersfield is an amusing scorecard with a 4-0/0-4 split from top to bottom.

The mid table is quite remarkably tight so far - Leeds, York B and Calderdale in 3rd= all have 8.5/16 game points, Hull have 8, Harrogate and Ilkley 7.5/16 and Huddersfield 7/16. Bradford a bit behind but they won't be worried - historically at least anything you get vs York/Sheffield A has had to be viewed as a bonus.

The big title news was Hull drawing their second consecutive match against Sheffield, Sheffield's first dropped points for a while! Well done :)

Unlucky for Sheffield to have to deal with the journey to Hull (the longest one in the league?) and the clash with the European club cup at the same time. I'd still have them as non trivial favourites for the league.

We'll know a fair bit more after the next round - Hull and York are playing in York. Another draw has to rate as far from improbable :) Sheffield have Calderdale at home (never easy), the other matches could all be very close.

Nice to see York D's junior mob get a win in the IMBrown.

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Re: 2023/2024 Season

Post by Mark Howitt » Sun Oct 01, 2023 8:50 am

I had to TURN DOWN Hudds offer to play... had to steward...

I would take 4-4 all day long against York B...

Who knows who I'll play for this season ;)

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Re: 2023/2024 Season

Post by Mark Howitt » Sun Oct 01, 2023 8:52 am

Away from home I would ;)

Overall if Hudds could get their best team out bottom 4 boards wouldn't be playing (in terms of playing strength).

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Re: 2023/2024 Season

Post by Andrew Zigmond » Sun Oct 01, 2023 11:03 am

Stephen Westmoreland wrote:
Sun Oct 01, 2023 7:48 am
Mark Howitt wrote:
Sun Oct 01, 2023 4:57 am
Interesting to see some New Players called New Player playing ;)
It can be a little awkward to input new players and match them up. More information is usually needed. I was very impressed with the Dewsbury boards 2 and 6. Considering they are new as well.
Exactly Steve. I'm enrolling new players into the league every round (pre pandemic it was once in a blue moon) and sometimes I need more information if I'm trying to decipher an unusual name from someone's handwriting or the name is a common one and might belong to an existing player.
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Re: 2023/2024 Season

Post by Mark Howitt » Sun Oct 01, 2023 1:03 pm

I have an idea who some of the new Dewb players may be but I guess it will be revealed!

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Re: 2023/2024 Season

Post by David Clayton » Sun Oct 01, 2023 6:22 pm

Andrew Zigmond wrote:
Sun Oct 01, 2023 12:54 am
Roger de Coverly wrote:
Sun Oct 01, 2023 12:33 am
Andrew Zigmond wrote:
Sun Oct 01, 2023 12:09 am
To answer the question raised - I am the Yorkshire League controller, results are submitted to me by captains and I enter them on LMS as quickly as it is practical for me to do so.
The upgrade would be to get the match captains to do it as soon as they had phone or computer access after their personal games had finished.
Some leagues do that but my personal choice is to imput the results myself so I can be sure the right information is being entered.

Ten years ago when the Yorkshire Chess website was at its peak the guys who ran it used to publish up to the minute results, often before I'd even seen them. So there is no reason why somebody desperate to get results as soon as possible couldn't organise something similar.
Roger, I am not exactly sure what you mean by 'The upgrade'. If you mean a software upgrade, then the ECF LMS software already allows other individuals to enter results as they happen, and we make use of this facility when we can. It doesn't have to be the team captain either, it can be someone who stands in if the captain is unavailable. Incidentally, the match result isn't finalised until the opposition captain verifies the result.

The software allows you to operate it they way you wish, our league controller is happy to reduce his workload, others may take a different approach.

If you have appropriate access, I don't think you need to add 'new player', then change it afterwards. I think you can do this before the match by adding the new player to your club list in advance. But again, it is an option and you can choose which way you wish to operate.

It really is a very good system.

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Re: 2023/2024 Season

Post by Roger de Coverly » Sun Oct 01, 2023 8:24 pm

David Clayton wrote:
Sun Oct 01, 2023 6:22 pm
The software allows you to operate it they way you wish, our league controller is happy to reduce his workload, others may take a different approach.
The suggestion as no more than if a League wanted to publish its results faster, that it had to move to the system of allowing match captains to directly input results rather than indirectly through a third party. Yorkshire have however indicated they wish to retain a system of centralised input.

I'm aware that the LMS allows direct input by match captains.

What is the exact update cycle though of the rating system? There was a local rapidplay tournament on Saturday whose results are already in the rating system, whilst results of the season's first league match on Thursday, input shortly after midnight to the ECF LMS aren't yet.

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Re: 2023/2024 Season

Post by Mick Norris » Sun Oct 01, 2023 9:53 pm

The last league run was 28 September, it's done weekly from memory

In the Manchester League, we let captains enter results, but each one is checked by our Records & Registrations Secretary; as players have to be registered in advance, though, we don't let clubs enter players onto the LMS Player list

The LMS is very good, it just takes a bit of time to get used to
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Re: 2023/2024 Season

Post by Stephen Westmoreland » Sun Oct 01, 2023 10:10 pm

Regardless, Andrew does a fantastic volunteer job for the YCA and is a lovely chap as well. Chess is a game of patience, so non league players can wait.
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