World Junior U-20 2013

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Re: World Junior U-20 2013

Post by David Sedgwick » Fri Sep 13, 2013 11:52 am

Mick Norris wrote:Although the number 1 seed is not there, and interesting reason why
http://www.journal.com.ph/index.php/spo ... iors-chess
Nothing of the sort could ever happen here, of course.

Oh, wait a minute.

http://www.ecforum.org.uk/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=3844

(End of thread hijack.)

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Re: World Junior U-20 2013

Post by LawrenceCooper » Fri Sep 13, 2013 12:53 pm

Details of live games as follows:

http://wjcc2013.tsf.org.tr/en/live-games

So Rob should be on live here: http://live5.tsf.org.tr/

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Re: World Junior U-20 2013

Post by Roger de Coverly » Fri Sep 13, 2013 2:15 pm

LawrenceCooper wrote: So Rob should be on live here: http://live5.tsf.org.tr/
A couple of games already finished. Either no-shows or zero time default accidents.

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Re: World Junior U-20 2013

Post by John McKenna » Fri Sep 13, 2013 3:42 pm

59 boards in the male section and up to about 45 live.
Samuel on bd. 50 (not live) and Rob on 36 (live), today.
Looks like Rob (black) has had to give up, as one does, just after move 40 due to being n+p for R.
Good try, though, against a 2417 Ukranian.
It seems like 3 defaults - a Bolivian (2168), Mexican (1992) & French FM (2427)!?

Edit: Only one default in the 30 bd. female section - French (1920).
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Re: World Junior U-20 2013

Post by Simon Brown » Fri Sep 13, 2013 3:58 pm

I know it's not the done thing these days and my opinion may be in the minority, but bearing in mind that this is the World Junior, not an online bullet game, Rob resigned about 15 moves too late.

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Re: World Junior U-20 2013

Post by John McKenna » Fri Sep 13, 2013 4:17 pm

Playing in any World Chess Championship is a fantastic experience, you can't blame a guy for hoping and trying to the bitter end.
As Bill Shankly said, "Even the bad times were good."

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Re: World Junior U-20 2013

Post by Peter D Williams » Fri Sep 13, 2013 4:24 pm

John McKenna wrote:59 boards in the male section and up to about 45 live.
Samuel on bd. 50 (not live) and Rob on 36 (live), today.
Looks like Rob (black) has had to give up, as one does, just after move 40 due to being n+p for R.
Good try, though, against a 2417 Ukranian.
It seems like 3 defaults - a Bolivian (2168), Mexican (1992) & French FM (2427)!?
Samuel a very strong chess player who will do very well at this event.I remember Samuel coming 2nd at the Guernsey chess International and it was lovely to see the joy on his parents face at the airport over this result :D
Samuel not played heaps of events as i believe he was concentrating on his A levels.He also a really nice lad very polite a credit to his parents.

Fish and chips tonight with a glass of ginger beer :D
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Re: World Junior U-20 2013

Post by Jonathan Rogers » Fri Sep 13, 2013 5:36 pm

Simon Brown wrote:I know it's not the done thing these days and my opinion may be in the minority, but bearing in mind that this is the World Junior, not an online bullet game, Rob resigned about 15 moves too late.
I'm with you. (It is a World event though and not a European one, so it should be easier for him to pick up points at the bottom)

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Re: World Junior U-20 2013

Post by LawrenceCooper » Fri Sep 13, 2013 5:38 pm

Jonathan Rogers wrote:
Simon Brown wrote:I know it's not the done thing these days and my opinion may be in the minority, but bearing in mind that this is the World Junior, not an online bullet game, Rob resigned about 15 moves too late.
I'm with you. (It is a World event though and not a European one, so it should be easier for him to pick up points at the bottom)
I think resignation is purely an individual decision. I would be more concerned if he was resigning too early.

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Re: World Junior U-20 2013

Post by Rob Thompson » Fri Sep 13, 2013 6:56 pm

As already noted, I lost after struggling for the vast majority of the game (though at move 25 I didn't consider my position lost, so it wouldn't have been correct for me to resign there). Sam won, though his opponent put up far more of a fight than would have been expected from his rating. Sam will be on the live boards tomorrow, where as I almost certainly won't be.
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Re: World Junior U-20 2013

Post by LawrenceCooper » Fri Sep 13, 2013 8:28 pm

Round 2:

12 IM DEBASHIS DAS 2489 IND 1 1 FM FRANKLIN SAMUEL G A 2353 ENG
35 IM DASTAN MUHAMMED BATUHAN 2455 TUR 0 0 THOMPSON ROBERT 1966 ENG

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Re: World Junior U-20 2013

Post by David Sedgwick » Fri Sep 13, 2013 8:43 pm

Rob Thompson wrote:As already noted, I lost after struggling for the vast majority of the game (though at move 25 I didn't consider my position lost, so it wouldn't have been correct for me to resign there). Sam won, though his opponent put up far more of a fight than would have been expected from his rating. Sam will be on the live boards tomorrow, where as I almost certainly won't be.
Wrong, it would appear. You've actually gone up a board.

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Re: World Junior U-20 2013

Post by Rob Thompson » Fri Sep 13, 2013 9:01 pm

Well, so much for my expectation of white against a much lower rated opponent. Either way, this should be an interesting game, and gives Mark twice as much work to do whilst we're playing.
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Re: World Junior U-20 2013

Post by Jonathan Rogers » Sat Sep 14, 2013 8:13 am

Rob Thompson wrote: Sam won, though his opponent put up far more of a fight than would have been expected from his rating.
Ah but you need to look at the nationality of the opponent as well, in an event like this. When I saw that, I immediately thought "Ok, but this guy could easily be 400-500 points stronger than his rating". Given that, and the last minute decision to play, I expect Samuel was just happy with the full point!

Good luck to you both today.

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Re: World Junior U-20 2013

Post by John McKenna » Sat Sep 14, 2013 12:00 pm

I'd like to echo Jonathan Rogers and wish Samuel and Robert the best of luck today.
Robert did not get the luck of the draw for round 2 but things like that can happen - I was given black in rounds 1 & 2 and a (slightly) higher-rated opponent in the Seniors section at Torquay in August. (An imbalance in the number of white/black wins in the first round was probably to blame.)

RdC (on round 1) >A couple of games already finished. Either no-shows or zero time default accidents.<

Me >It seems like 3 defaults - a Bolivian (2168), Mexican (1992) & French FM (2427)!? Edit: Only one default in the 30 bd. female section - French (1920).<

The two missing French players are in the pairings for round 2. The Bolivian and Mexican are still missing so the number of boards in the male section is reduced by one to 58.