World Youth Chess Championship 2014

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LawrenceCooper
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Re: World Youth Chess Championship 2014

Post by LawrenceCooper » Sun Sep 28, 2014 8:56 am

Roger de Coverly wrote:
Jonathan Rogers wrote: I have only been following at a distance but my overall impression too is that this is at least better than we have done for quite a few years.
Those who remember the glory days of the past feel uncomfortable that scoring 50% is regarded as a success. One point at least, why isn't at least one domestic event structured as an 11 round marathon, complete with the hardship of a double round day or two? Admittedly the youngest event then was for under 14, but the GMs of the Seventies all made some of their initial impact in the eleven rounders parallel to the British Championship itself.
Isn't this a bit like saying because we won the World Cup in 1966 then we should expect to do so every time?

The reason we don't have an event such as the one you stated (and discussed in my election address) is partly due to difficulties in finding space in the calendar, lack of finance (an ECF junior budget of £0) and no one with sufficient time to commit to organising it. The Junior Directorate already put a lot of time into sending delegations to the World & European Schools, World & European Youth, U16 Olympiad, Glorney Cup, Commonwealth Junior, both EU Youth events and the World Junior. We are also very fortunate to have Neill Cooper organising many events which have been a big boost to the domestic calendar.

It's easy to point out what we don't do, the difficulty is in finding people to do it and that's despite many volunteers such as myself giving up many hours every day to help junior chess. The sad reality is that people also have to earn a living as well as volunteering but if only a fraction of the time spent questioning our players could be spent on doing something productive then it may contribute towards success in the future.

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Re: World Youth Chess Championship 2014

Post by Roger de Coverly » Sun Sep 28, 2014 10:18 am

LawrenceCooper wrote: The reason we don't have an event such as the one you stated (and discussed in my election address) is partly due to difficulties in finding space in the calendar
The obvious place to put it is the British Championship Congress, even if it does mean going back on one of Stewart Reuben's decisions of thirty years ago or more.

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Re: World Youth Chess Championship 2014

Post by Lewis Martin » Sun Sep 28, 2014 10:41 am

Martin Crichton wrote:Amy lost today against a 2300 as expected (but put up a good fight (LB) ...didnt see the game)
Why would you say expected? If you approached the game like that, then you have already lost half the battle! Granted, one result might be more likely than others, but you certainly shouldn't expect someone to lose. You keep going on about Ben's draw with a 2700 - I bet you 'expected' him to lose.
Martin Crichton wrote: the rest of the english contingent on 50% again today. My point being none of them are shining through... a certain hyped prodigy in the press 2 years ago is having a particularly average tournament.
If this is an issue close to your heart, then DO something about it! Help someone "shine" through even if in a small way. Don't just sit on your chair and moan about it on the internet, and expect things to turn around if you aren't involved.

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Re: World Youth Chess Championship 2014

Post by Lewis Martin » Sun Sep 28, 2014 10:48 am

Roger de Coverly wrote: Those who remember the glory days of the past feel uncomfortable that scoring 50% is regarded as a success.
This is such a typical adult to child conversation that is backward. "Back in my day..." stories are of little consequence to the here and now.

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Re: World Youth Chess Championship 2014

Post by Martin Crichton » Sun Sep 28, 2014 1:40 pm

Lewis Martin wrote:
Roger de Coverly wrote: Those who remember the glory days of the past feel uncomfortable that scoring 50% is regarded as a success.
This is such a typical adult to child conversation that is backward. "Back in my day..." stories are of little consequence to the here and now.
time to cue the sad music...awwwwwwww

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIuotFZnBtk

but my personal favourite :) is

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OU5aTiJEGGk
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Re: World Youth Chess Championship 2014

Post by Andrew Martin » Sun Sep 28, 2014 3:37 pm

Mr Crichton, it looks like you are trying to stir up trouble.

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Re: World Youth Chess Championship 2014

Post by LawrenceCooper » Sun Sep 28, 2014 9:07 pm

Results of the last round for ENG
Rd. Bo. No. Name Typ FED Rtg Pts. Result Pts. Name Typ FED Rtg No.
10 11 10 Ciccoli Theo U10 FRA 1923 5½ ½ - ½ 5½ CM Altman Joshua U10 ENG 1704 31
10 23 19 Czopor Maciej U10 POL 1799 4½ 1 - 0 5 Misyura Ilya U10 ENG 0 83
10 28 55 Jayawarna Nugith U12 ENG 1687 4½ ½ - ½ 4½ Askey Raveen Nimesh U12 SRI 1485 69
10 32 54 Huang Dion U14 ENG 1796 4 1 - 0 4 Gonzalez Carrillo Javier Omar U14 MEX 1723 62
10 21 36 FM Zayan Mohamed U16 EGY 2125 4½ 0 - 1 4½ Whatley Stephen A J U16 ENG 1881 54
10 25 44 Taylor Adam C U16 ENG 2023 4½ 1 - 0 4½ Musonda Elias U16 ZAM 0 88
10 33 66 Essop Hishaam U16 RSA 1752 4 1 - 0 4 Li Harry U16 ENG 0 81
10 18 42 Hackner Oskar A U18 ENG 2102 4½ 1 - 0 4½ FM Rindlisbacher Lars U18 SUI 2336 19
10 9 4 WFM Navrotescu Andreea-Cristiana U18 FRA 2208 5 1 - 0 5½ Hoare Amy B U18 ENG 1981 25
10 22 38 Foster Chantelle L U18 ENG 1840 4 1 - 0 4 February Jesse Nikki U18 RSA 1688 44

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Re: World Youth Chess Championship 2014

Post by LawrenceCooper » Mon Sep 29, 2014 3:33 pm

11 13 31 CM Altman Joshua U10 ENG 1704 6 0 - 1 6 Gharibyan Mamikon U10 ARM 1900 11
11 27 83 Misyura Ilya U10 ENG 0 5 1 - 0 5 Al Darmaky Sultan U10 UAE 1263 54
11 29 67 Van Zyl-Rudd Jack U12 RSA 1548 5 0 - 1 5 Jayawarna Nugith U12 ENG 1687 55
11 25 39 Baterdene Tsogbayar U14 MGL 2015 5 0 - 1 5 Huang Dion U14 ENG 1796 54
11 16 54 Whatley Stephen A J U16 ENG 1881 5½ 0 - 1 5½ FM Gajek Radoslaw U16 POL 2393 12
11 18 32 FM Li Di U16 CHN 2192 5½ ½ - ½ 5½ Taylor Adam C U16 ENG 2023 44
11 37 81 Li Harry U16 ENG 0 4 1 - 0 4 Lynch Justin U16 RSA 1689 71
11 14 33 CM Flermoen Peter U18 NOR 2226 5½ 1 - 0 5½ Hackner Oskar A U18 ENG 2102 42
11 13 25 Hoare Amy B U18 ENG 1981 5½ 1 - 0 5½ WFM Regam Jessica U18 USA 2031 17
11 18 41 Kahancova Jana U18 SVK 1717 4½ ½ - ½ 5 Foster Chantelle L U18 ENG 1840 38

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Re: World Youth Chess Championship 2014

Post by LawrenceCooper » Mon Sep 29, 2014 5:57 pm

Final scores & rating gains/losses:

Under 10s:

Josh Altman 6/11 +6.8
Ilya Misyura 6/11

Under 12s:

Nugith Jayawarna 6/11 -4.4

Under 14s:

Dion Huang 6/11 +48

Under 16s:

Adam C Taylor 6/11 +25.2
Stephen Whatley 5.5/11 +60
Harry Li 5/11

Under 18:

Oskar Hackner 5.5/11 + 6.8

Under 18G:

Amy Hoare 6.5/11 +81.6
Chantelle Foster 5.5/11 -27.2

Total rating gain 196.8

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Re: World Youth Chess Championship 2014

Post by IM Jack Rudd » Mon Sep 29, 2014 6:50 pm

Seriously impressive gains from Stephen and Amy there. Amy now only needs 38 rating points for the WFM title.

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Re: World Youth Chess Championship 2014

Post by Lewis Martin » Mon Sep 29, 2014 11:35 pm

IM Jack Rudd wrote:Seriously impressive gains from Stephen and Amy there. Amy now only needs 38 rating points for the WFM title.
Indeed. I also think Oskar's meagre rating gain doesn't really reflect his performance. But I suppose that's what you get with Oskar, I can never understand how someone can be so inconsistent! This time round, he did well, in my opinion.

Adam Taylor too. Something of a rollercoaster for him!

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Re: World Youth Chess Championship 2014

Post by MartinCarpenter » Tue Sep 30, 2014 11:13 am

The good thing with Oskar is that consistency comes much more easily with time/experience than talent :)

+80 does seem like quite a useful tournament!

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Re: World Youth Chess Championship 2014

Post by Peter D Williams » Thu Oct 02, 2014 1:10 pm

Martin Crichton wrote: Bit of a reality check for the media here who predicted at least one of the current participants above was going to be the next Luke McShane.
Afternoon All.

I would not take to much notice of the main stream media who often twist and bend the truth or as i put it do a nice cut and paste job :wink:

The juniors who went to this event where geting experience of playing chess aboard against strong juniors.Our juniors need to be able to play in more events of this type but i suspect cost blocks most of them from doing this.

Well its time for a cup of tea.
when you are successful many losers bark at you.