Bridge not a Sport (ECJ now agree)
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Contract Bridge should be considered a sport for VAT purposes according to the preliminary finds of the European Court of Justice. http://www.englishchess.org.uk/bridge-i ... -vat-case/
Chess to follow soon?
Chess to follow soon?
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How is this likely to affect Mike Basman?Chris Rice wrote:Contract Bridge should be considered a sport for VAT purposes according to the preliminary finds of the European Court of Justice. http://www.englishchess.org.uk/bridge-i ... -vat-case/
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Ah, but I was so much older then. I'm younger than that now.
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One would have to qualify it with the fact that these are preliminary findings and the case hasn't yet been extended to chess. Assuming it is extended to chess then I assume Mike Basman could launch some kind of appeal to the relevant body and it will be up to the judge/adjudicator/whoever's discretion as to whether the ruling is quashed. This won't be the first time this has ever happened so there is probably some precedents in case law that the internet lawyers on this forum can point to.Brian Towers wrote:How is this likely to affect Mike Basman?Chris Rice wrote:Contract Bridge should be considered a sport for VAT purposes according to the preliminary finds of the European Court of Justice. http://www.englishchess.org.uk/bridge-i ... -vat-case/
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It wasn't completely clear that even if organised in an activity that was definitively a sport, that the structure of the UKCC would necessarily be exempt from VAT.Chris Rice wrote: Assuming it is extended to chess then I assume Mike Basman could launch some kind of appeal to the relevant body and it will be up to the judge/adjudicator/whoever's discretion as to whether the ruling is quashed.
Although if it proves possible to backdate any claim as the Bridge people would like to do, the ECF might be in line for a windfall.
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Bridge seems like a much more chilled out passtime too, you never hear the same stories of anger and pettiness from bridge players as you do from chess.
Lose one queen and it is a disaster, Lose 1000 queens and it is just a statistic.
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I take it you don't play bridge.Joey Stewart wrote:Bridge seems like a much more chilled out passtime too, you never hear the same stories of anger and pettiness from bridge players as you do from chess.
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Yep - Joey clearly a non-player ... it is FAR worse
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At least he didn't include cheating! The bridge world having suffered in recent years the arguable equivalent of Magnus Carlsen being accused of using computer assistance... and being found guilty!Paul Dargan wrote:Yep - Joey clearly a non-player ... it is FAR worse
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Also a bunch of other people getting accused, some let off, some not etc. Cheating in bridge is so 'easy' that its really scary when it gets loose.
Most people in Bridge are pretty civilised to their opponents, the issue is that you're playing with someone else which can lead to some really shocking behaviour at times.
Most people in Bridge are pretty civilised to their opponents, the issue is that you're playing with someone else which can lead to some really shocking behaviour at times.
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Yep - you're much more likley to see partner abuse than opponent abuse
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Maybe the partner abuse problem might be solved by a bridge variant where a carbon based life form player partnered a program ??
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You seen how people treat inaminate objects? The only solution would be to make bridge players caring empaths, and well......
To be fair it isn't *that* common amongst stronger players because its so clearly blindingly counter productive. Although there are some who can't seem to help it.
To be fair it isn't *that* common amongst stronger players because its so clearly blindingly counter productive. Although there are some who can't seem to help it.
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I suspect that most partner abuse occurs between people who have a reasonably serious relationship away from the bridge table and it is an extension of that. When I played competitive bridge (several decades ago) most of my partners were better (often much better) players than me and there was never even a hint of abuse. They were all very intelligent people who understood that to get the best out of me friendly encouragement was the best route.
Ah, but I was so much older then. I'm younger than that now.
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Oh, maybe bridge not as civilised as I imagined. Mind you, most non chess players are often shocked at some of the stories I tell them of controversies in the game, so I guess it should not be so surprising.
Does anybody have any especially amusing stories of anger during games of bridge to share?
Does anybody have any especially amusing stories of anger during games of bridge to share?
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I have experienced, and indeed suffered from, petty and small minded behaviour at training courses for bridge directors. I have never encountered anything similar at either FIDE or ECF arbiter training courses.
That is one of the reasons why I largely gave up bridge directing and went back to chess.
That is one of the reasons why I largely gave up bridge directing and went back to chess.