Halfyearly Rapid Grades

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Halfyearly Rapid Grades

Post by Michael Bennett » Thu Jan 07, 2010 1:15 pm

Does anyone know when the January 2010 rapidplay grades will be available in the Online Grading Database?
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Re: Halfyearly Rapid Grades

Post by Carl Hibbard » Thu Jan 07, 2010 1:21 pm

Michael Bennett wrote:Does anyone know when the January 2010 rapidplay grades will be available in the Online Grading Database?
Yes :wink:
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Re: Halfyearly Rapid Grades

Post by Michael Bennett » Thu Jan 07, 2010 1:26 pm

:D Happy New Year Carl!

Could you give us a clue?
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Re: Halfyearly Rapid Grades

Post by Carl Hibbard » Sat Jan 09, 2010 4:55 pm

Michael Bennett wrote:Could you give us a clue?
Should go live during Sunday I would guess Michael but I will post here when that is so...
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Re: Halfyearly Rapid Grades

Post by Carl Hibbard » Sun Jan 10, 2010 6:14 pm

That new list has just gone live
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Re: Halfyearly Rapid Grades

Post by J. Moore » Sun Jan 10, 2010 6:40 pm

Carl Hibbard wrote:That new list has just gone live
Hi Carl, can this list be viewed by anyone, if so where can it be found?

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Re: Halfyearly Rapid Grades

Post by Carl Hibbard » Sun Jan 10, 2010 6:41 pm

J. Moore wrote:
Carl Hibbard wrote:That new list has just gone live
Hi Carl, can this list be viewed by anyone, if so where can it be found?
The standard site that you normally use?

http://grading.bcfservices.org.uk/
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Re: Halfyearly Rapid Grades

Post by Ian Thompson » Sun Jan 10, 2010 7:50 pm

Carl Hibbard wrote:That new list has just gone live
But is it right?

I played 4 games in this list, all against juniors, scoring 2.5/4. Their average grade in the August 2009 list was 214.5 and their average grade in this list is 209. My grading performance for these 4 games is between 205 and 210.5(*), which means the average grade of my opponents used in the calculation was between 192.5 and 198.

(*) My new grade is 202 based on 23 games, so between 4635 and 4657 points in total. 19 games were from previous years and scored 3815 points, so the 4 new games must have been between 820 and 842 points.

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Re: Halfyearly Rapid Grades

Post by Paul Bielby » Sun Jan 10, 2010 7:59 pm

Well done, Carl, and thank you.

I had promised the kids at school (RGS Newcastle) that I'd have their new grades for them after Christmas, and as we go back to school tomorrow it's just in time to save my life!

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Re: Halfyearly Rapid Grades

Post by Alex Holowczak » Sun Jan 10, 2010 8:20 pm

Ian Thompson wrote:
Carl Hibbard wrote:That new list has just gone live
But is it right?

I played 4 games in this list, all against juniors, scoring 2.5/4. Their average grade in the August 2009 list was 214.5 and their average grade in this list is 209. My grading performance for these 4 games is between 205 and 210.5(*), which means the average grade of my opponents used in the calculation was between 192.5 and 198.

(*) My new grade is 202 based on 23 games, so between 4635 and 4657 points in total. 19 games were from previous years and scored 3815 points, so the 4 new games must have been between 820 and 842 points.
I think the juniors you've played are treated as ungraded. This makes it virtually impossible to predict your grade.

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Re: Halfyearly Rapid Grades

Post by Carl Hibbard » Sun Jan 10, 2010 9:40 pm

Ian Thompson wrote:
Carl Hibbard wrote:That new list has just gone live
But is it right?
I can only suggest filling in the contact form and Richard will get back to you...
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Re: Halfyearly Rapid Grades

Post by isaac wallis » Mon Jan 11, 2010 4:50 am

Hawk up to 245! Carlsen better start preparing for their inevitable title clash.

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Re: Halfyearly Rapid Grades

Post by Ian Thompson » Mon Jan 11, 2010 12:07 pm

Alex Holowczak wrote:
Ian Thompson wrote: But is it right?

I played 4 games in this list, all against juniors, scoring 2.5/4. Their average grade in the August 2009 list was 214.5 and their average grade in this list is 209. My grading performance for these 4 games is between 205 and 210.5(*), which means the average grade of my opponents used in the calculation was between 192.5 and 198.

(*) My new grade is 202 based on 23 games, so between 4635 and 4657 points in total. 19 games were from previous years and scored 3815 points, so the 4 new games must have been between 820 and 842 points.
I think the juniors you've played are treated as ungraded. This makes it virtually impossible to predict your grade.
You're right that it makes it impossible to predict your grade, but it shouldn't prevent you from checking the calculation of your own new grade once you know what your opponents' new grades are. However, it does. Now I've got the graders' master list I think I can guess what has been done.

One of my opponents had a published grade of 205 in August 2009 and has a published grade of 206 in January 2010, however his performance in the last 6 months was only 180.5 (by scoring 1/5/4 against adults with an average grade of 193). I suspect I have been credited with scoring 1.5/2 against a player graded 180.5, which would almost make the numbers add up.

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Re: Halfyearly Rapid Grades

Post by Joey Stewart » Sat Jan 23, 2010 8:24 pm

Yes! I managed to get my grade up (slightly) and had to face quite alot of juniors along the route. Looks like these 'new' ratings are not such a bad thing after all...
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