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Hi Nick,
A great pity you do not intend to continue with this topic as I would be delighted to hear exactly what you mean by saying that he has got Brexit done.
The population of Northern Ireland doesn't seem to agree with your opinion.
A great pity you do not intend to continue with this topic as I would be delighted to hear exactly what you mean by saying that he has got Brexit done.
The population of Northern Ireland doesn't seem to agree with your opinion.
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As I just pointed out, this is an at least questionable description.Nick Ivell wrote: ↑Sun Jul 10, 2022 7:15 pmI simply felt, for the sake of balance, that the 'case for Johnson' should be put. So I did.
In general, I despise the politics of this forum (with occasional exceptions, such as David). For this reason, I will not be commenting further.
Let the Corbynite echo chamber resume...
But you don't seem very interested in substantiating your claims, so meh.
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Wrong Nick, but I am willing to give Boris a fairly good mark for getting Brexit done. Certainly more than any of the others would have done.Alex McFarlane wrote: ↑Sun Jul 10, 2022 9:39 pmHi Nick,
A great pity you do not intend to continue with this topic as I would be delighted to hear exactly what you mean by saying that he has got Brexit done.
The population of Northern Ireland doesn't seem to agree with your opinion.
As to Northern Ireland, he could have fixed that so easily but was frightened that Liz Truss would have claimed much of the credit.* That is no way to run a government.
*She would have, too!
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I've not been paying attention. What was this 'easy' solution that Liz Truss would have claimed credit for?NickFaulks wrote: ↑Sun Jul 10, 2022 10:23 pmWrong Nick, but I am willing to give Boris a fairly good mark for getting Brexit done. Certainly more than any of the others would have done.Alex McFarlane wrote: ↑Sun Jul 10, 2022 9:39 pmHi Nick,
A great pity you do not intend to continue with this topic as I would be delighted to hear exactly what you mean by saying that he has got Brexit done.
The population of Northern Ireland doesn't seem to agree with your opinion.
As to Northern Ireland, he could have fixed that so easily but was frightened that Liz Truss would have claimed much of the credit.* That is no way to run a government.
*She would have, too!
[I do think the damage done to the Northern Ireland peace process is one of the major (negative) consequences of Brexit. I do also remember thinking at the time I saw the name 'Brexit' rise to prominence, what a soundbite it was, little realising that it would actually happen! I did go on some of the marches, but other issues are, and arguably always were, more important: the history that led to war in Ukraine; the Covid pandemic; and, last but most certainly not least, climate change. When the history books are written, will Brexit be seen as as big an issue as those three? Probably not.]
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I voted to leave the Common Market in 1975, because I could already see where their neo-fascist empire was headed, and have been agitating against them ever since. I am amused to hear that we escaped while you weren't looking.Christopher Kreuzer wrote: ↑Mon Jul 11, 2022 12:59 amI do also remember thinking at the time I saw the name 'Brexit' rise to prominence, what a soundbite it was, little realising that it would actually happen!
By the way, Jeremy Corbyn shared my opinions on Europe in those days and I can't help feeling that he still does.
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Me neither, but I didn't vote for Starmer eitherMatt Mackenzie wrote: ↑Sun Jul 10, 2022 7:09 pmWould be genuinely interested about who on here you regard as "Corbynite".
I think that Messrs Killoran and Horton would admit as much, but apart from that I'm struggling a bit.
Speaking personally, I have always been a man of the left but did not vote for him in either Labour leadership election.
Any postings on here represent my personal views
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Politically my views are very similar to Jeremy Corbyn (and I don't think Starmer's are that madly different - if he would have the courage of his convictions). However I believe that Corbyn did not have the skills necessary to lead a political party, let alone a government - it's all very well being hopeful and optimistic but you also have to bang heads together where necessary. Brexit is a case in point - while it would be very unfair to blame him for the whole as the other wing of the Labour Party were equally tone deaf - Corbyn provided no leadership or vision.
And while again it would be unfair to pin all the blame on Corbyn personally, as a Labour party member, I hold him complicit in the disgusting antisemitic racism that still infects the movement. More to the point I believed at one time that he was not antisemitic himself but his behaviour since relinquishing the leadership makes me increasingly unsure.
And while again it would be unfair to pin all the blame on Corbyn personally, as a Labour party member, I hold him complicit in the disgusting antisemitic racism that still infects the movement. More to the point I believed at one time that he was not antisemitic himself but his behaviour since relinquishing the leadership makes me increasingly unsure.
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I hadn't intended to comment further at this time.
However, I thought that Forum readers might be interested in Ray Keene's views on the matter, which he has just posted on Twitter:
"To be clear: my 1st preference would be for Tory Party to reinstate Boris Johnson; next, for Boris to at least be on the leadership ballot. Finally, for Jacob Rees-Mogg to win, then appoint Boris to be Deputy PM. Failing that, Boris should call a General Election while he still can."
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However, I thought that Forum readers might be interested in Ray Keene's views on the matter, which he has just posted on Twitter:
"To be clear: my 1st preference would be for Tory Party to reinstate Boris Johnson; next, for Boris to at least be on the leadership ballot. Finally, for Jacob Rees-Mogg to win, then appoint Boris to be Deputy PM. Failing that, Boris should call a General Election while he still can."
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I believe there is currently a job vacancy in Sri Lanka which might interest him.
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I voted to leave the Common Market in 1975. I was at school too young to vote as was BJ.
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On Corbyn's alleged antisemitism and antisemitism in the Labour Party, I'd recommend watching this. And you can find much else besides if you look for it.Andrew Zigmond wrote: ↑Mon Jul 11, 2022 2:11 pmPolitically my views are very similar to Jeremy Corbyn (and I don't think Starmer's are that madly different - if he would have the courage of his convictions). However I believe that Corbyn did not have the skills necessary to lead a political party, let alone a government - it's all very well being hopeful and optimistic but you also have to bang heads together where necessary. Brexit is a case in point - while it would be very unfair to blame him for the whole as the other wing of the Labour Party were equally tone deaf - Corbyn provided no leadership or vision.
And while again it would be unfair to pin all the blame on Corbyn personally, as a Labour party member, I hold him complicit in the disgusting antisemitic racism that still infects the movement. More to the point I believed at one time that he was not antisemitic himself but his behaviour since relinquishing the leadership makes me increasingly unsure.
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I guess you have to remember that he spent nearly all his political life campaigning for a variety of mostly worthy, often unpopular, often basically hopeless causes. That must require/develop an incredibly stubborn make up, and being very slow indeed to admitting being wrong.Andrew Zigmond wrote: ↑Mon Jul 11, 2022 2:11 pmPolitically my views are very similar to Jeremy Corbyn (and I don't think Starmer's are that madly different - if he would have the courage of his convictions). However I believe that Corbyn did not have the skills necessary to lead a political party, let alone a government - it's all very well being hopeful and optimistic but you also have to bang heads together where necessary. Brexit is a case in point - while it would be very unfair to blame him for the whole as the other wing of the Labour Party were equally tone deaf - Corbyn provided no leadership or vision.
And while again it would be unfair to pin all the blame on Corbyn personally, as a Labour party member, I hold him complicit in the disgusting antisemitic racism that still infects the movement. More to the point I believed at one time that he was not antisemitic himself but his behaviour since relinquishing the leadership makes me increasingly unsure.
Put that mindset in charge of a political party? A broadly terrible idea and we saw the results - esp so after he quit I think. I'd be quite hesitant to judge him beyond that.
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With the benefit of hindsight, its clear Corbyn should have stood aside some time after Labour's much better than expected result in 2017.
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The sad reality under Corbyn was that Jewish members were often told to their face at meetings "we don't want Jewish people in the party". A specific case of this happened in the CLP (constituency Labour party) of the young Nottingham MP Nadia Whittome who was at that time seen as being on the Corbynite wing. To her credit she stepped in and supported the member, leaving plenty of members to accuse her of being a traitor to the cause.
Elsewhere Jewish members who had been committed activists for years were suddenly being challenged by new members demanding to know what their view was on the Israel/ Palestine conflict. Young Jewish members (including teenagers) who believed as passionately in social justice as the other youngsters who Corbyn inspired were treated to intense verbal abuse online.
The overriding message from Corbynite members was "antisemitism is wrong BUT IF YOU DARE RAISE IT YOU'RE LYING IN ORDER TO UNDERMINE CORBYN/ DIVERT ATTENTION AWAY FROM ISRAEL ... OR BOTH".
In any case Corbyn is yesterday's man. His echo chamber of sycophants grows less and less with every month that passes and there is a strong possibility that if he runs as an independent in Islington North he will not win.
Elsewhere Jewish members who had been committed activists for years were suddenly being challenged by new members demanding to know what their view was on the Israel/ Palestine conflict. Young Jewish members (including teenagers) who believed as passionately in social justice as the other youngsters who Corbyn inspired were treated to intense verbal abuse online.
The overriding message from Corbynite members was "antisemitism is wrong BUT IF YOU DARE RAISE IT YOU'RE LYING IN ORDER TO UNDERMINE CORBYN/ DIVERT ATTENTION AWAY FROM ISRAEL ... OR BOTH".
In any case Corbyn is yesterday's man. His echo chamber of sycophants grows less and less with every month that passes and there is a strong possibility that if he runs as an independent in Islington North he will not win.
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But back on topic of Boris.... Who do we think might come out on top of the replacement elections? If I was a conservative MP I'd be worried that Boris mode of operating runs deep in the cabinet and anyone who worked too close to him is likely to be seen as tainted by the same brush.
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